Deepwood Sniper

[Mallus]

I know Mallus's creatures/characters seem to be convinced that my eponymous character (Frt/Rngr/DWS) in his campaign is a pinyata.

It's the whole 'frontline archer' role that Rackhir's unfortunately found himself in. Can I help it that the closest thing the party has to a tank is a man in dress with a katana (and a monkey)?

Hmmm, unless you cound Meiji the shugenga. He's got a whoppingly high AC and plenty of hit points... perhaps Rackhir and he should switch roles...

 

[shilsen]

It's the whole 'frontline archer' role that Rackhir's unfortunately found himself in. Can I help it that the closest thing the party has to a tank is a man in dress with a katana (and a monkey)?

Hmmm, unless you cound Meiji the shugenga. He's got a whoppingly high AC and plenty of hit points... perhaps Rackhir and he should switch roles...

Bugger! I knew my Spidey-sense (or in Meiji's case, "not-in-the-face"-sense) was tingling for a reason.

Stop giving Rackhir ideas! It's bad enough Meiji has to put him back together after every session. Who's going to do that if Meiji's lying there in a bloody mess? Plus we found him a little dragon and a butler to stand behind, so he should be fine now.

Though I have to admit the idea of Meiji walking up and saying, "Don't worry, Rackhir, I'll protect you!" and then standing in front of Rackhir shrugging off attacks or healing himself when one hits, has a certain charm to it. Though I'm still not sure whether that situation would mean he has more or less chance of being shot in the back of the head by Rackhir.

 

[Banshee16]

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The complete books are 3.5 versions of the x & x series books. They revamped material that appeared in those books for 3.5. This is why no 3.5 books refer to you to Tome and Blood, for example.

I'd be keen to hear how you got the understanding that anything from 3.0 books was fine for 3.5 unless it was specifically changed.

Because WotC *said* that they were only updating those classes they needed to change, perhaps?

3.5 doesn't invalidate 3.0....never did. It's all part of the same system.

I've heard griping and complaining from somebody or other about just about every class and prestige class in the game, through these message boards, to the point that I think really, all it takes is a player willing to be abusive to twist just about anything in the game.

Banshee

 

[DethStryke]

Situations that neuter a DWS:

Underwater.

Moderate to Heavy wind.

Snowstorms.

Pretty much any kind of severe weather....

A number of spells... Protection from Missiles, a number of Wall spells, sphere of invulnerability...

Tower Shields.

That's a list of ideas that took me less than a minute with no reference. Not all of them are bullet-proof (well, except underwater... that is death to missle weapon fighters), but all of them have their place in a DM's toolkit to design a challenging adventure for her/his group.

If a DWS is dominating your game, then your DM has more issues than any (prestige) class.

 

[Graf]

Because WotC *said* that they were only updating those classes they needed to change, perhaps?

And I was asking where this was 'said' by WotC (press release, interview, etc)

I understand you beleive this to be true, I want to know why.
I don't recall seeing anything of the sort.

 

[Graf]

The 3.0 books aren't in print and aren't refered to by 3.5 materials. And its not because they're some goldmine of perfect gaming goodness wizards doesn't want to touch. The good, balanced stuff from those books has already been tweeked and reprinted in the 3.5.

To put it another way by this point in time there's really only two kinds of PrCs that haven't been reprinted: The ones that were esoteric (oozemaster) and the ones that were just excuses to pile on unblanced mechanics.

Deepwood Sniper isn't particularly esoteric...

 

[The_Gneech]

I thought the CW equivalent was "Darkwood Stalker", but not having my books in front of me I can't make a real comparison.

-The Gneech

 

[Rackhir]

I thought the CW equivalent was "Darkwood Stalker", but not having my books in front of me I can't make a real comparison.

-The Gneech

The only real similarity is the name. It has basically none of the abilities of the DWS.

 

[Falkus]

The 3.0 books aren't in print and aren't refered to by 3.5 materials. And its not because they're some goldmine of perfect gaming goodness wizards doesn't want to touch. The good, balanced stuff from those books has already been tweeked and reprinted in the 3.5.

To put it another way by this point in time there's really only two kinds of PrCs that haven't been reprinted: The ones that were esoteric (oozemaster) and the ones that were just excuses to pile on unblanced mechanics.

You know, it's generally not considered good form to present opinion as fact.

 

[iwatt]

The DS as is isn't really that broken except when you start mixing things of other books. The greatest culprit in making the DS overpowered in my book was that silly little spell called Hunter's Mercy.

Coupled with non-stacking Improved crit and Keen, the current DS isn't all that (it just get's some nice range benefits and ignores cover).