Deities & Demigods errata

[Crothian]

Dr. Zoom:
I don't see any mention of the word melee in there, do you?

Well, you need to look under Mighty Bows.

Mighty Composite Longbow or Shortbow: A mighty bow is a composite bow made with an especially heavy pull to allow a strong archer to take advantage of an above-average Strength. The mighty bow allows a character to add his or her Strength bonus to damage up to the maximum bonus listed.

That's from the SRD. In the PHB it even gives an example. You'll notice it says strength bonus, not 1.5x str bonus.

 

[Dr. Zoom]

I don't see any mention of the word melee in there, do you?

PH page 97, column one, in the paragraph entitled "Two-Handed." It says "two-handed melee weapon."

Also, in the description on pages 113-114, the example given does not allow the archer with a 14 (+2) strength to add +3 to his damage with a mighty composite shortbow [+3], even though he would add +3 if he was supposed to add 1.5 x strength bonus for bows. (I know the shortbow is medium-size, but you get the 1.5 str bonus with medium-size melee weapons used two-handed, too.)

 

[reapersaurus]

Re: Slings

And if a character gets strength bonus on thrown weapons, why not with the sling?

and why not with Shuriken?

 

[Blacksad]

Bump!

NB: I have edited the thread title

I have the book now, and it appears that WotC has a house rule on thrown weapon, because almost every weapon that could be thrown has its damage wrong!

Also Apep doesn't have the Cold Immunity that all deities should have (by the rules in chapter 2).

I have also a question; is a natural 20 an automatic success for a save? Because the save listing of some deities wouldn't have any use. (The Bab does have one, as the DM is supposed to roll to know if the automatic hit is a critical, though the improved critical range has absolutly no use for deities who get automatic 20).

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Apep has no cold immunity because that would be wrong for a fire creature. Though they only say that they may have additional immunities, I think they also mean they could have less if it's appropirate.

Daggers are thrown weapon, and you recieve your Str bonus to the damage roll (because you can hurl it harder). The only exception's the shuriken. AFAIK, That's cause they're so diminutive and you can't really throw them that hard (like you can't throw a piece of paper against the wind, but you can do that with a stone.)

I've seen a couple of values in D&Dg that looked wrong. I think we have a nice errata for that one.

In D&Dg, there are Mighty Composite Bows that allow a Str bonus of +10. Maybe it's an epic item.

 

[Blacksad]

Apep has no cold immunity because that would be wrong for a fire creature. Though they only say that they may have additional immunities, I think they also mean they could have less if it's appropirate.

Daggers are thrown weapon, and you recieve your Str bonus to the damage roll (because you can hurl it harder). The only exception's the shuriken. AFAIK, That's cause they're so diminutive and you can't really throw them that hard (like you can't throw a piece of paper against the wind, but you can do that with a stone.)

I've seen a couple of values in D&Dg that looked wrong. I think we have a nice errata for that one.

In D&Dg, there are Mighty Composite Bows that allow a Str bonus of +10. Maybe it's an epic item.

Yes, I agree that it would be a bit wrong, but the rule p26 say that a deity may have more immunity, it does not say that they could have less (and this immunity isn't really usefull as a deity of equal rank or higher ignore those immunity, and Bast is of higher rank than Apep).

On thrown weapon: Oops, I have too much focused on the asgardian pantheon (Thor and Odin have different damage for the same wepon thrown or in melee, and the difference isn't half the strength modifier)

...re-read Thor and Odin entries...

uh? What's that? divine wepon mastery? flip pages...

*notes: if the selected wepon is a ranged weapon, the extra damage applies against any target the deity can see.*

Ah! Apparently, for Thor they forgotten to apply the rule (DR 18 that is the correct difference), but I'm still puzzled for Odin (7 points of difference).

and I too, think that we'll have a lot of errata (and I think even more than Sword and Fist, due to the high number of stats to calculate, and probbably the lack of any electronic tools at the time of the devellopement of the book).

Another funny thing, Dennari has the warhammer as a favored weapon, is pictured with one, but she has only stats for unarmed strike.

 

[Darkness]

So... Is this going to be a "general" DDG errata thread now?

 

[Blacksad]

You mean that errata threads should be in the General Forum?

Oops! (I feel more and more like a kender).

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Yes, I agree that it would be a bit wrong, but the rule p26 say that a deity may have more immunity, it does not say that they could have less (and this immunity isn't really usefull as a deity of equal rank or higher ignore those immunity, and Bast is of higher rank than Apep).

Hm... if you create a god, you should not go exactly by the rules if it would not suit the deity!

 

[Blacksad]

Hm... if you create a god, you should not go exactly by the rules if it would not suit the deity!

I wholeheartidly agree, I will use house rules on that, and will buy the immortal handbook to cover some point that aren't covered by D&Dg.

But, if I posted in the D&D rules forum, it's because I want to know which point aren't coherent in the book (those that I have missed) like the item creation rules which is described in chapter 2 but few deities use (war deities can create any weapons or armors regardless of requirement, while they are supposed to be able to create items to which they have the requirement without item creation feats, and flamming ability should be beyond them by the rule in chapter 2).