D&D 5E Delve from Bob World Builder and Others

[Reynard]

On the upside, I always appreciate previews for these kinds of projects. they let you get an idea of what sort of design is being done, how the book will look and so on. So kudos.

There is a pretty big flaw in the oozing kobold 5E design, though: it blinds an opponent on a total roll of 15 or better (with a +5, so better than a 50% chance), regardless of whether that hits and with no save. That just breaks how 5E works. it isn't well done.

 

[mamba]

Maybe, but KP videos generally get dozens of views, while BWB videos get tens of thousands. My guess is that KP got the vast majority of their backers on Day 1, while BWB will continue to add backers over time because they have a strong platform.

Kobold's is now at slightly over double the first day with two weeks to go, which actually means they had a slow first day / a good tail end. Usually a KS makes about 2 to 2.5 times the first day these days, they are heavily frontloaded.

We will see how that plays out for Bob, the Dungeon Dudes made 459k out of 1065k on their first day, so they were frontloaded...

 

[mamba]

There is a pretty big flaw in the oozing kobold 5E design, though: it blinds an opponent on a total roll of 15 or better (with a +5, so better than a 50% chance), regardless of whether that hits and with no save. That just breaks how 5E works. it isn't well done.

I assume that only works if you hit, and if you actually roll a 15 or higher on the d20, at least that is how I interpret it, the wording could be clearer though

 

[Reynard]

I assume that only works if you hit, and if you actually roll a 15 or higher on the d20, at least that is how I interpret it, the wording could be clearer though

it certainly doesn't say that. Also, 5E design in particular still asks for saves on hits. I am not saying that design is necessarily bad in general and for Shadowdark, but it ignores a pretty standard design paradigm for 5E.

 

[mamba]

it certainly doesn't say that. Also, 5E design in particular still asks for saves on hits. I am not saying that design is necessarily bad in general and for Shadowdark, but it ignores a pretty standard design paradigm for 5E.

I mean, getting blinded on a miss makes no sense, so it has to hit. Whether it has to be a natural 15+ or this includes the PB might be up to interpretation. It says 'rolled 15 or higher' I take that as the die only, but that is just me. I agree with this usually getting a save however

 

[Reynard]

I mean, getting blinded on a miss makes no sense, so it has to hit. Whether it has to be a natural 15+ or this includes the PB might be up to interpretation. It says 'rolled 15 or higher' I take that as the die only, but that is just me. I agree with this usually getting a save however

I'm not inclined to give the benefit of the doubt for mechanics. Say what you mean.

 

[mamba]

I'm not inclined to give the benefit of the doubt for mechanics. Say what you mean.

I agree with that, it simply is how I read it

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

How many of these books can the market support? There's literally another one KSing right now and about 1896 available on DRRPG.

There's a new grimdark setting funding every 30 minutes. I think the market can support two very different books on building better dungeons.

The Kobold Press one, if the rest of the series is anything to go by, is going to practically be a college textbook on how to design the heck out of a dungeon, whereas Delve is a bunch of plug and play elements and 10+ premade dungeons. They're serving very different roles.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

There is a pretty big flaw in the oozing kobold 5E design, though: it blinds an opponent on a total roll of 15 or better (with a +5, so better than a 50% chance), regardless of whether that hits and with no save. That just breaks how 5E works. it isn't well done.

The Shadowdark sample also talks about upcasting spells, which I don't think is a thing in Shadowdark.

That said, the time to point stuff like this out to them is now, so that they can bring in someone with more rules mastery to take a look at the books before they're sent out.

 

[jayoungr]

Maybe, but KP videos generally get dozens of views, while BWB videos get tens of thousands.

People know Kobold Press from places other than YouTube. In fact, I didn't even know they had a YouTube channel, and I've been buying their products almost since 5E started.