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Ripzerai said:
Muchos grasias, Ripper. For a good many things Grazzt see - http://www.canonfire.com/cfhtml/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1162
Demonic Lore
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Muchos grasias, Ripper. For a good many things Grazzt see - http://www.canonfire.com/cfhtml/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1162
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Erik Mona said:
Not specifically to my knowledge. I think FDaD is suggestive of the layers being "named" by their most prominent features.
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Ripzerai said:
Yes. I am working on a Canonfire article that will deal with them (after I finish the Fiend Factory incorporation) but in a nutshell they are interesting to me as follows:
(1) The MF Demons postulates an Infernum/Infernus (contrary to Grodog, these are not altogether "sin based" as there are only 5 realms within Infernum/Infernus vs the 7 deadly sins and as the descriptions are far more wide ranging; we are talking over dozens and dozens of named demons plus more demonkind);
(2) Lucifer was "cast out of Hell" in the old Politics of Hell Dragon article;
(3) Lucifer is given Infernum/Infernus to rule in Tome of Horrors Vol I which was, as I understand it, under license from Wotc, not sure how that effects copyright, but for my purposes copyright is irrelevant; and
(4) It is then possible to connect the "cast out" Lucifer with Infernum/Infernus. This is particularly fascinating as Lucifer is a devil and infernus is populated by demons. I love that "logic,"
as it opens some greater possibilities, IMO, than/in addition to the tired "Bloodwar." ::Nod to Rip. It also puts the "Grazzt hypothesis" vis-a-vis the idea that he was sired by Asmodeus/Jaserine(whatever the spelling of Asmodeus' other name is) into play, when we mix devils and demons, even if it ultimately is not Grazzt specific in that way)::
There is more too it, obviously, but there you have it in a nut shell.
For purposes of the Fiendish Codex, I think there is probably not time, space nor inclination to pursue the incorporation of the Demons line (6 products, btw).
Shemeska
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johnnype said:
I'm not BOZ, but... here you go. These books are primarily fluff, and I use them heavily in my own 3e games with almost no need to convert and crunch numbers.
Faces of Evil: The Fiends - the seminal work on the ecology, history, and psychology of the primary fiend races.
Hellbound: The Blood War - focuses of the Blood War, it's history, the way each fiend race approaches the War Eternal, and how the War impacts each of the various races who hold a stack in its outcome.
Planes of Chaos - all good things Tanar'ri. Focuses on the Chaos touched planes(CE, CN, CG)
Planes of Law - all good things Baatezu. Focuses on the law touched planes.( LE, LN, LG)
Planes of Conflict - all good things Yugoloth. Focuses on the neutral planes. (NE, NG, TN)
Dead Gods - deals with the death and rebirth of Orcus as Tenebrous, and his attempts to regain his lost divinity and status as an Abyssal Lord.
Tales of the Infinite Staircase - portions of the module take place in Baator on the layer of Minauros in the city of Jangling Hiter. Said Kyton city is largely fleshed out here more so than in any other source.
Uncaged: Faces of Sigil - several seriously interesting fiends are fleshed out including 2 arcanaloths, the cambion servant of Grazzt named Rule-Of-Three, a nalfeshnee, etc. I consider this to be the single best NPC book I've ever read.
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BOZ
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Monte Cook explains Thralhavoc (to the best of his recollection) 
a bit of unofficial lore from Monte:
"Yeah, that was mine. Honestly, I don't really remember anything about him, or if I even had anything in mind. It was a complete throwaway reference. I'm pretty sure I just needed a cool name. However, I suppose that if, back then, I had been asked to stat him up, I would have continued the Malhavoc theme and made him a demon lord of shadows. Maybe even a bit of a rival of Orcus' hold over the undead (with Thralhavoc being a lord of undead shadows as well). He'd probably human sized, but mostly just a shadow."
a bit of unofficial lore from Monte:
"Yeah, that was mine. Honestly, I don't really remember anything about him, or if I even had anything in mind. It was a complete throwaway reference. I'm pretty sure I just needed a cool name. However, I suppose that if, back then, I had been asked to stat him up, I would have continued the Malhavoc theme and made him a demon lord of shadows. Maybe even a bit of a rival of Orcus' hold over the undead (with Thralhavoc being a lord of undead shadows as well). He'd probably human sized, but mostly just a shadow."
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BOZ
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Ripzerai said:
that's... pretty cool.
johnnype said:
Shemeska said:
yeah, i would trust Shemmy on that one. i was pretty into Planescape in a big way about 8-10 years ago, but a lot of time has passed since then. Shem has studied all of that stuff far more recently than i have, and probably to a much greater extent as well.
BOZ
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Wolfgang Baur on Volisupula
a response, as ill-timed as it is:
"Thanks for asking but sorry, I think he was mostly a throwaway.
I'd dig through my notes from the period, but I'm moving house and
everything's in storage. Ask again in July.
Wolfgang Baur"
someone remind me to ask again 8 months from now, because i know i won't remember.
a response, as ill-timed as it is:
"Thanks for asking but sorry, I think he was mostly a throwaway.
I'd dig through my notes from the period, but I'm moving house and
everything's in storage. Ask again in July.
Wolfgang Baur"
someone remind me to ask again 8 months from now, because i know i won't remember.
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