Developer Talk = Gospel?

[hong]

Yes.

Oh, like katanae are Asian. Hint: Luke Skywalker uses one.

 

[Psychic Robot]

Oh, like katanae are Asian. Hint: Luke Skywalker uses one.

Luke Skywalker used a laser beam.

 

[hong]

Luke Skywalker used a laser beam.

That was the emperor, silly.

 

[RigaMortus2]

I'm also okay with wizards being more powerful than other characters. Not to the extent that they were in 3e, but more powerful nonetheless. I know that many people will disagree with this sentiment, but I'm fine with the guy who studies magic to be able to do more than the guy who swings a sword. The magic guy's early life is a lot harder than the sword-swinger's, but his long, hard road pays off when he can do all sorts of crazy things.

Can you explain this statement in a little more detail? What, specifically, do you feel should make a mages "early life" more difficult in order for the payoff to be worth it at later levels? Because this just doesn't make much sense to me. Can you list some examples of what you mean by this?

 

[Psychic Robot]

Can you explain this statement in a little more detail? What, specifically, do you feel should make a mages "early life" more difficult in order for the payoff to be worth it at later levels? Because this just doesn't make much sense to me. Can you list some examples of what you mean by this?

Lower hitpoints, low AC, poor combat ability, reliance on non-magical means to survive.

 

[Jhulae]

Lower hitpoints, low AC, poor combat ability, reliance on non-magical means to survive.

And when such becomes the only balancing factor for wizard types, that's bad game design.

 

[Psychic Robot]

And when such becomes the only balancing factor for wizard types, that's bad game design.

Why?

 

[RigaMortus2]

Also, I love how many people have put me on ignore. I see that the "OMG HE DISAGREES WITH 4E!!1!" clique is still going strong.

For some reason, I don't think that is why you were put on ignore

 

[Psychic Robot]

For some reason, I don't think that is why you were put on ignore

You're right. One person did it and the rest played follow-the-leader.

 

[Jhulae]

Why?

Why? Really?

1) Because not everybody plays up to the top levels, meaning the wizard never 'gets the payoff'.

2) Some DMs play favorites (either intentionally or unintentionally), and the supposed 'balancing factor' of being wimpy at low levels becomes a non-issue because the wizards aren't killed when the enemies have them dead to right, etc...

3) Because for the people who do go to 20th or Epic, the wizards become the ultimate class, outshining everyone else and ultimately rendering them useless.

And for point 3, I don't care if wizards can outshine everyone, in fact there are games that are based around that whole concept (Ars Magica). But, if the game implies that every class is balanced and/or viable for every level, when such is not the truth, that's bad game design.