D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?
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Benjamin Olson
Hero
They shouldn't replace options with completely different options. Leave the option out, don't confuse everything by declaring up to be down.
And, even were we to imagine that a 2014 monster making 5d8 hit points of creatures fall asleep for a minute in a 2024 game would be such a catastrophe that it is worth the confusion to someone grappling with the new rule set, your logic of it only works in a world where the old system magically disappears when the new is introduced, or people play strictly out of physical books. But they didn't even give it a clear separate edition name and google exists. Not only does original sauce 5e Sleep come up first when I google "5e Sleep" it's also the first couple hits when I search "D&D Sleep". All they have done is sow confusion.
Adding to anecdotes and vibes … from 4 groups I’m involved with - DM of the first 3.
1) 5 players in 3.5e on email, 1 is a game producer (including console RPG credits). 3 have played 5e or BG3, 2 have even mentioned 5e24 exists, 0 interested in it.
2) 5 players in 3.5e on email, 1 has done a corporate job in gaming. 4 have played 5e or BG3, 0 have even mentioned 5e24 exists, 0 interested in it.
3) 7 players in 3.5e in person for one-shot on July 5th. Game was my adaption of the “Fast-Play Game”, a variant of 2e in 1998. 1 is also a player in #2 (who has played BG3), 1 (his 21 yo son) has DM’d 5e2014 but had never been a player, 1 played AD&D in the 1980’s, and the other 4 had never played. The two youngest (17 and 19) had never played but were aware of the game from YouTube actual play. The 19 year old has seen many videos from different groups, but this was the first time anyone asked her to play. Only the 21 yo - who just graduated from college and is working on an indie computer game - talked about 5e2024 with me (we talked a lot of gaming), and unsurprisingly no one suggested playing it.
4) I’m one of 5 players in an online 5e2014 game that converted to 5e2024. We switched because the DM wanted to. So far as I know, none of us has bought the physical books. The DM required us to buy the 5e2024 PHB on D&D Beyond and convert our characters there. I think most of the players including me don’t really know/care what the difference is, except for the tax form like “fun” of having to redo their own 9th level PC with the command to make it as close as possible.
So what’s my point …in my gaming world, only 1 person - the DM in #4 - cares about 5e2024.
But here on ENworld, yeah, the online enthusiasts care.
1) 5 players in 3.5e on email, 1 is a game producer (including console RPG credits). 3 have played 5e or BG3, 2 have even mentioned 5e24 exists, 0 interested in it.
2) 5 players in 3.5e on email, 1 has done a corporate job in gaming. 4 have played 5e or BG3, 0 have even mentioned 5e24 exists, 0 interested in it.
3) 7 players in 3.5e in person for one-shot on July 5th. Game was my adaption of the “Fast-Play Game”, a variant of 2e in 1998. 1 is also a player in #2 (who has played BG3), 1 (his 21 yo son) has DM’d 5e2014 but had never been a player, 1 played AD&D in the 1980’s, and the other 4 had never played. The two youngest (17 and 19) had never played but were aware of the game from YouTube actual play. The 19 year old has seen many videos from different groups, but this was the first time anyone asked her to play. Only the 21 yo - who just graduated from college and is working on an indie computer game - talked about 5e2024 with me (we talked a lot of gaming), and unsurprisingly no one suggested playing it.
4) I’m one of 5 players in an online 5e2014 game that converted to 5e2024. We switched because the DM wanted to. So far as I know, none of us has bought the physical books. The DM required us to buy the 5e2024 PHB on D&D Beyond and convert our characters there. I think most of the players including me don’t really know/care what the difference is, except for the tax form like “fun” of having to redo their own 9th level PC with the command to make it as close as possible.
So what’s my point …in my gaming world, only 1 person - the DM in #4 - cares about 5e2024.
But here on ENworld, yeah, the online enthusiasts care.
IIRC @mearls said that he (they? I'm sure it was a few people that made the case) had to make a strong case that there should be a 5th edition of DnD. I forget where he said as such, I'd have liked to have seen the ?presentation? they'd made for it
Honestly the biggest surprise to me here is that someone is basing their investments off of DnD's performance, with regards to Hasbro's value. WotC is its lions' share of value, yeah, but MtG is what makes WotC's money. I'm sure hoping to get more value out of the DnD brand is a factor, but funny enough I don't think new rulebooks are what determines that... it's probably things like WotC's new "franchise-model" that'll determine the value of DnD to the company.
bedir than
Full Moon Storyteller
They could have shared their books with you and saved you money
Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Yeah. That actually seems kinda harsh to me.
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