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Mobius said:
Let me get this straight...

Making an insightful and high quality system was not their goal, but making a system that would maximize the number of gamers they could fleece for cash was?

Geez, I wondered why buying 3e left such a bad taste in my mouth. Now I know why. Anyone want the 3 core books cheap?

No, I'm not kidding.
What are you, some kind of gaming activist?
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Who cares why they made the game. Do you like it, or not?
 

Kaptain_Kantrip said:


:) Hype? I don't think so.

Hype? There hasn't been any here. :)

Originally posted by Mobius


Let me get this straight...

Making an insightful and high quality system was not their goal, but making a system that would maximize the number of gamers they could fleece for cash was?

Geez, I wondered why buying 3e left such a bad taste in my mouth. Now I know why. Anyone want the 3 core books cheap?

No, I'm not kidding.

I saw 2e as being a money grubbing, with new and different rules published in every book. The DMG was rather thin on content, IMO. The combat rules you wanted were probably in complete fighter, or player option: combat, or some other book.

In 3e/d20 I see the System Reference Document. I see a system that some thought put into it, with an eye to simplicity and fun. Each book actually has things to use. I have played the Paladium system (Rifts and others) along with GUPPS. They just look like piles of rules heaped on each other.

The system was written well so they could use it without ripping it appart. Which do people play more: D&D or Harn? No customers, no new material. The fact that there is advertising here for harn, on a d20 site, shows that Harn is feeding off D&D's success.
 


Tharkun said:
So, where is the info about Harn anyway?

It's having lunch at Hârn-Geek... ;)

Here are some direct links:

http://www.columbiagames.com/HarnPage/Generalintroduction/Robinharnintro.html (an introduction to Hârn)

http://www.lythia.com/harnfaq.php (the Hârn FAQ)

http://www.shadowharn.net/index.php (the Hârn forum)

http://www.warflail.com/harnlink/ (links to all things Hârnic)

http://www.swordsandshields.org/ (a site of the most egoistic elitistic bastard who likes Hârn...)

http://www.harnsex.com/hardsex/ (sex in Hârn)

Hope this helps.
 
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LokiDR said:


The fact that there is advertising here for harn, on a d20 site, shows that Harn is feeding off D&D's success.

Hell, the entire RPG industry has been feeding of D&D's success, at least in North America. Even back in 1st Ed days, most players started with D&D; it was the "gateway game", and it still is.

"Advertising" might be a bit harsh, BTW; perhaps "evangelizing" would me more appropriate? :D

E.
 

I wonder how Harn people would feel if d20 rabid gamers go to their boards to post about the "great d20 system"...

:D
 

Erstwhile said:


Hell, the entire RPG industry has been feeding of D&D's success, at least in North America. Even back in 1st Ed days, most players started with D&D; it was the "gateway game", and it still is.

"Advertising" might be a bit harsh, BTW; perhaps "evangelizing" would me more appropriate? :D

E.

Hey, if you think that "evangelizing" is better than advertising, I will have to make sure some of Jahova's Witnesses show up at your door.
 

Horacio said:
I wonder how Harn people would feel if d20 rabid gamers go to their boards to post about the "great d20 system"...

Great? ;)

You would be more than welcome to discuss the d20 system on the Hârn forum as long as it was linked to Hârn. What? Yeah, there are a few Hârn players gaming Hârn with d20 you know. That is what I have been telling people at these boards. That there is a possibilty to use the d20 system with the HârnWorld setting. :)
 
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Patrick-S&S said:


Great? ;)

You would be more than welcome to discuss the d20 system on the Hârn forum as long as it was linked to Hârn. What? Yeah, there are a few Hârn players gaming Hârn with d20 you know. That is what I have been telling people at these boards. That there is a possibilty to use the d20 system with the HârnWorld setting. :)

That's waht you have been saying. But KapKantrip has tried to sell us the Hârn system. If I go to Hârn boards and "evangelise" about D&D played in Hârn, that'd be O:K:, if I "evangelise" about D&D using Forgotten Realms, then I'd be being unpolite. IMHO, of course
 

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