Disdain for new fantasy


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ArmoredSaint said:
The problem doesn't lie with the Japanese; the blame can be laid at the feet of modern youth in the West.

Seriously, what is it about all things Japanese that appeals to people today? What do you find so lacking in your own culture that you find in such abundance in Japan's? What causes you to reject your own heritage and run off to worship at someone else's cultural altar?

You say this like it's a bad thing, for some reason. There is no 'blame' to be tossed here, and nothing wrong with it at all. There's no difference between being fascinated with anime and being fascinated with French cooking or German automotives or British tea or Chinese food. Our culture isn't the be-all and end-all of world culture.

The short answer is because it's new and different. The long answer is that in terms of animation and comics, America has dropped the ball; much like with the auto industry, the Japanese took something we invented and did it vastly better. We let Disney define the beginning and end of animation for fifty years, and dumbed down comics to the level of stupid children for thirty years in a hysterical Puritan reaction to artistic experimentation. Other countries didn't, and produce a vastly more mature art form now where animation isn't looked down on as something for kids in diapers. We're just now coming to that realization and starting the long hard road of catch-up.

Instead of the putrid Hanna-Barbera pap earlier generations were fed, kids now can see a vastly richer array of animation done by a country that doesn't treat animators with the same regard that you treat something you found on the bottom of your shoe. How can anyone one wonder that people love it so much?

ArmoredSaint said:
Frankly, I'd rather not see my Dungeons and Dragons contaminated by its influence.

Most people haven't been able to see an actual influence in it at all; D&D, much like the ultra-conservative American comics industry, tends to drag about five-to-ten years behind the times. So, that influence is coming.
 




Hussar said:
However, should I give someone's opinion whose sole exposure to the genre is Hentai Tentacle porn the same weight as someone who has watched a wide range of anime? I don't think so. I think I'll give more weight to the informed opinion.

Strangely....

1) Sometimes I don't mind a little hardcore "tentacle porn' in my D&D (but I'm just sick like that). :]
Maybe the designers really should give a big F-You to the Mothers of America and make the game DANGEROUS again. After all, the game was never so big as when it was believed to promote Satanism, and had pictures of naked succubi everywhere and prostitute tables in the DMG. Before 2nd Ed chopped its balls off, playing D&D could be rebellious. SO maybe some "tentacle porn" influence would be a good thing.

2)The tentacle porn has a long pedigree in Japanese art. For example:
http://poetry.rotten.com/pan-asian-kink/index15.html
Note: link is NOT work-safe, but IS historical!
 
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Hussar said:
Y'know what? I've got no problems in saying that some people's opinions are less valid than others. Some people are less educated about a work for example. Some people judge things, like anime for example, based on a very small biased sample. Doesn't make their opinion (Anime sucks) wrong for them.

However, should I give someone's opinion whose sole exposure to the genre is Hentai Tentacle porn the same weight as someone who has watched a wide range of anime? I don't think so. I think I'll give more weight to the informed opinion.


Here we go, agreeing again. :cool:
 



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