Rel said:
Dude, you're getting way too defensive here. If your group works then that's fine. If your DM has a thick enough skin that he doesn't mind the "hazing" that's fine too.
Defensive? I thought it seemed that certain other people were being rather
offensive. I'm just saying I quit - I don't care that much. I know what I've done, and if other people have a deep conviction that I am immoral, so be it. It doesn't bother me.
But just because things work that way in your group doesn't mean that it works that way in most others or even a few others. You started this thread basically saying, "When our DM ran the game in a way that we didn't like, we screwed the whole thing up and he became a better DM because of it."
I didn't start this thread. I just commented some way down that we had a situation somewhat like the original ones described, and nothing bad has come of it - in fact, good things have resulted.
That's dandy and all but a lot of other people posting in this thread would rather not operate that way. Many would deem it disrespectful and I think most would consider it to be a waste of time. Nobody is saying that you should have abandoned the DM and nobody is saying that you shouldn't help him try and improve his game. I think we're mostly just saying that if you've got a problem with how somebody runs the game then the most efficient way of addressing it is to halt the game and state your problems, discuss them, work out a solution and then take the necessary actions. The whole, "let's jerk him around a bit to show him the error of his ways" routine is considered by many in this thread to be unnecessary.
And perhaps it is unnecessary. All that I'm stating is that it worked perfectly in our situation. Some people seem to say I still shouldn't have, but all that I'm stating is that it worked.
As such, the responses that you've gotten have largely been along the lines of "if my players treated me that way then one of us would be headed toward the door". If you can't handle those sorts of responses then perhaps you aren't as thick skinned as you expect your DM to be.
Contrarily, I think I am thick-skinned enough. The people who probably aren't are those you reference - those that would be headed toward the door.
Again, all I'm trying to say is that this 'hazing' event didn't have any negative lingering effects in our campaign. In fact, we enjoyed the campaign much more, afterwards. If that offends you, I'm sorry, but it wasn't intended to, and I don't see why my anecdote causes such emotions in people.
