Vraille Darkfang
First Post
I just Realized;
Druids maek really, really stupid dogs when wild-shaped, going by the D&D rules.
Or am I missing something.
Under wildshape & polymorph, it says you can only do things a normal UNTRAINED animal can do. (This exists mainly to stop shifted parrots from Flamestriking people). It actually state that a parrot's natural sound is a squawk, not human speech, so it can't spellcast.
(Rather than say, Parrots IMITATE speech, not reproduce it so they can't get the vocal intonations exact enough for spellcasting).
So you have to train a dog to say: Fetch, Beg, Roll Over & so forth. So doesn't that mean that (by the rules) a druid shapeshifted into a dog form is INCAPABLE of doing these actions? While rolling over is a natural action, fetching is not.
And how, exactly can a Wild shaped druid fly. Most birds have to be TAUGHT to fly. Heck, a good part of a chimp's natural behavior is taught, not instinct.
Where do you draw the line between what is UNTRAINED & what is TRAINED?
I see some DM's reverse rules-lawyering this to screw palyers who try to do unique things with it. (Say wildshape into a horse & have another PC ride into battle on them; 'Sorry, you're not a TRAINED warhorse, so your rider has to make a Ride check each round).
As I see it, trying to stop people from using a parrots MIMICRCY (not real speech anyway) to cast spells, just serves to really muck things up if you get into rules-ville (a place I tend to just drive through, but never stay for long).
What am I missing?
Druids maek really, really stupid dogs when wild-shaped, going by the D&D rules.
Or am I missing something.
Under wildshape & polymorph, it says you can only do things a normal UNTRAINED animal can do. (This exists mainly to stop shifted parrots from Flamestriking people). It actually state that a parrot's natural sound is a squawk, not human speech, so it can't spellcast.
(Rather than say, Parrots IMITATE speech, not reproduce it so they can't get the vocal intonations exact enough for spellcasting).
So you have to train a dog to say: Fetch, Beg, Roll Over & so forth. So doesn't that mean that (by the rules) a druid shapeshifted into a dog form is INCAPABLE of doing these actions? While rolling over is a natural action, fetching is not.
And how, exactly can a Wild shaped druid fly. Most birds have to be TAUGHT to fly. Heck, a good part of a chimp's natural behavior is taught, not instinct.
Where do you draw the line between what is UNTRAINED & what is TRAINED?
I see some DM's reverse rules-lawyering this to screw palyers who try to do unique things with it. (Say wildshape into a horse & have another PC ride into battle on them; 'Sorry, you're not a TRAINED warhorse, so your rider has to make a Ride check each round).
As I see it, trying to stop people from using a parrots MIMICRCY (not real speech anyway) to cast spells, just serves to really muck things up if you get into rules-ville (a place I tend to just drive through, but never stay for long).
What am I missing?
