D&D 5E (2014) Do you get hex or hunters mark damage when you throw a net on someone?

[ECMO3]

If you cast the Hex spell on someone and then throw a net on them do you get the 1d6 necrotic? How about for Hunters Mark?

RAW I think you do get damage on Hex but you do not on Hunters Mark, because HM uses the same damage as the weapon.

Is this right?

 

[pogre]

For what it is worth:
From Crawford in 2018:

The hex spell doesn't require an attack to deal damage for the spell to work (0 + 1d6 = 1d6). The spell requires the attack to hit.

 

[Charlaquin]

For what it is worth:
From Crawford in 2018:

Which in true Crawford fashion is directly at odds with his ruling on Sharpshooter with a net.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I see no reason not to allow it if the player wanted it. Net is still rubbish.

 

[Shiroiken]

Which in true Crawford fashion is directly at odds with his ruling on Sharpshooter with a net.

Typical. While I don't really care, it really should be either/or.

 

[lingual]

I would say no to this. Opens door for shenanigans like sneak attack damage and sharpshooter. There's a difference between 0 and null. You can't add numbers to null or "undefined". IIRC, the net has no damage property.

 

[ECMO3]

I see no reason not to allow it if the player wanted it. Net is still rubbish.

If you have multiattack a net will cause advantage on your follow up attack, while also taking away an entire action from the enemy (or at least 1 attack made with disadvantage if the enemy can do slashing damage). So in terms of action economy it is pretty good if you are confident you can hit with it and the enemy does not have a slashing attack.

Where it really shines though is on a battlemaster archer as a bonus action using quick toss and sharpshooter. You don't get the quick toss damage or sharpshooter damage, but you also don't get a penalty for using it from range. It uses a bonus action, so it is not competing with your attacks. It gives you advantage on your follow up shots (as well as allies shots), there is no save against it if it hits, and it takes an entire action from the enemy. On top of that if you use it after an enemy is hexed on strength and has disadvantage on the check, there is a decent chance it will restrain him for more than one turn.

In terms of quick toss sharpshooter, what you are competing with is the 22ish points of damage you would do throwing a dart (2.5+4.5+4+10) with quick toss instead of throwing the net. To see if it is worth it you need to consider the advantage on your next two shots with your longbow.

 

[ECMO3]

Typical. While I don't really care, it really should be either/or.

The difference with Hex and HM (along with sharpshooter and Sneak attack) all do the same damage type as the weapon, and net does not have a damage type.

Hex on the other hand does its own necrotic damage when it hits the target.

 

[Weiley31]

Sure, why not.

 

[Swarmkeeper]

If you have multiattack a net will cause advantage on your follow up attack, while also taking away an entire action from the enemy (or at least 1 attack made with disadvantage if the enemy can do slashing damage). So in terms of action economy it is pretty good if you are confident you can hit with it and the enemy does not have a slashing attack.

Where it really shines though is on a battlemaster archer as a bonus action using quick toss and sharpshooter. You don't get the quick toss damage or sharpshooter damage, but you also don't get a penalty for using it from range. It uses a bonus action, so it is not competing with your attacks. It gives you advantage on your follow up shots (as well as allies shots), there is no save against it if it hits, and it takes an entire action from the enemy. On top of that if you use it after an enemy is hexed on strength and has disadvantage on the check, there is a decent chance it will restrain him for more than one turn.

In terms of quick toss sharpshooter, what you are competing with is the 22ish points of damage you would do throwing a dart (2.5+4.5+4+10) with quick toss instead of throwing the net. To see if it is worth it you need to consider the advantage on your next two shots with your longbow.

Multiattack (or Extra attack) is not applicable when using a net:

When you use an action, bonus action, or reaction to attack with a net, you can make only one attack regardless of the number of attacks you can normally make.