Do you want Tieflings in the phb?

[variant]

Why is Tieflings automatically crap?

Have you seen the rules for them?

Could you tone down the word choice?

Mechanics are just mechanics. The flavor of them sucks. I don't want teenage angst in my campaign.

Ah, I understand our differences now.

With the exception of a specific campaign which restricted races (mutually agreed upon between my players and myself), the term 'let people play' would never cross my mind.

So you would let someone play an Ilithid?

 

[tsadkiel]

So you would let someone play an Ilithid?

I would.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Mechanics are just mechanics. The flavor of them sucks. I don't want teenage angst in my campaign.



So you would let someone play an Ilithid?

Absolutely.

If he was willing to suck up the LA and the substandard hit dice, and be recognized as a member from a well-nigh-universally hated race or take steps to avoid same, I'd work with the player to get that done.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Mechanics are just mechanics. The flavor of them sucks. I don't want teenage angst in my campaign.

Explain your "teenage angst" comment, please, and why this is universal amongst all tiefling characters.

 

[Wormwood]

So you would let someone play an Ilithid?

A mind flayer balanced to be on par with the rest of the PHB races?

Assuming it fit the campaign (and I could make it work, I'm sure) I don't see why not.

 

[MoogleEmpMog]

So you would let someone play an Ilithid?

Not only WOULD I allow it, I HAVE allowed it, once with the default LA (which was absurd), once with the LA knocked down a bit by feel (which worked better but was still kind of boring for the player), and finally with a homebrew LA +3 version found on these very boards (which worked great).

Because that was an Ivalice game, mind flayer was actually one of the few non-human races that made sense (along with minotaur, goblin and awakened undead). Orcs, elves, dwarves, halflings and gnomes were all out because they didn't fit the setting, whereas those four races were clearly available.

 

[Gundark]

Where is the "neutral" option?

 

[reanjr]

No, but ok

Voted no, but I'm not against it. The races in the PHB make little difference to me as a DM or player. If you want a "core" game, tieflings would make an interesting character choice. If you want to customize your game with racial selection, then it does not matter.

 

[variant]

Explain your "teenage angst" comment, please, and why this is universal amongst all tiefling characters.

What else do they have? They are just humans with a bad attitude and look "cool."

 

[Doug McCrae]

I've played a medusa, an air elemental and a drider. And I've been in games with goblin, ogre, troll, stone giant, ghoul, vampire, rakshasa, barghest, slaad, chain devil, astral stalker and astral deva PCs.

The only real problem was the lack of balance in Savage Species and the LA system.