Do you want updated core books?

[Zaran]

I voted no.

As a matter of fact, I would prefer if down the road 5e was solely supported online through tools like character builder, rules compendium, monster builder, and encounter builder.

As an adult, paying a couple hundred bucks a year to play D&D with the most updated rules is more than a fair price for me. Save the paper.

I do think they may need to figure out a way to do a discounted student subscription price with this approach though.

You do want physical books to read away from a computer? I use DDI for alot but I still want the books. If WotC gave us full book versions in pdf i might go for that. Even if they sold the updated 4e in pdf I'd buy that as well.

 

[Mengu]

You do want physical books to read away from a computer? I use DDI for alot but I still want the books. If WotC gave us full book versions in pdf i might go for that. Even if they sold the updated 4e in pdf I'd buy that as well.

Nope, all I want for game play are a few reference sheets (conditions, actions, and a condensed skills reference), character sheets, encounter sheets, and campaign notes. I'm perfectly fine with no physical books, other than maybe an art book because pictures are worth a thousand words.

 

[Mouseferatu]

I voted no.

As a matter of fact, I would prefer if down the road 5e was solely supported online through tools like character builder, rules compendium, monster builder, and encounter builder.

Urgh. No thanks, not for me.

I'd be fine if all the purely mechanical expansions (like the "Power" books) were electronic-only. But as for for the core rules, and for any books that aren't almost pure crunch (Draconomicon, Manual of the Planes, any setting books, etc.), if I can't get 'em in hardcopy, I'm not getting 'em.

 

[Scribble]

Urgh. No thanks, not for me.

I'd be fine if all the purely mechanical expansions (like the "Power" books) were electronic-only. But as for for the core rules, and for any books that aren't almost pure crunch (Draconomicon, Manual of the Planes, any setting books, etc.), if I can't get 'em in hardcopy, I'm not getting 'em.

What about E-Paper?

 

[Infiniti2000]

Unfortunately, quite a few updates are never represented in the CB...

But, Lord Ernie mentioned DDI, and that includes a lot more than CB.

 

[Holy Bovine]

FONT=Comic Sans MS]Ok, my GM refuses to even look through the updates for 4th edition. I can see his point when all the updates are in monthly form like they are. So I would like to see the first core rule books updated. Yes, I am aware that there is a rules compendium coming out soon and a kit for DMs as well but I do not want to have to compare those new books with my core books. If I did not have to keep the old books because of all the powers and builds not to be reprinted in Essentials then I would not care. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Comic Sans MS So my question to you... would you like to have (and thus purchase) updated core books with all the updates (errata) put in. I feel we are at a time when at least the original core books can be reprinted without too many more erratas in the future.FONT]

I wouldn't want errata'd copies of any core book. Errata is given out for free to anyone who wants it (at least I don't think the errata document on the WotC site is behind the paywall). People then can use it or not as they see fit. I wouldn't mind the ability to alter the CB to allow for House Rules (it would give me the ability to change some items & powers back to how they originally worked) and I really hope to see something like this before Xmas. Buying new copies of books I already own? Nope not for me. I'd be surprised if it could be done at a profit anyhow.

 

[korjik]

Just looking at the complete errata document, all 115 pages (way shorter than the PHB by the way, and that is for ALL books), I find that there are about 5 pages that relate to the PHB core rules being affected (10 if you cound the DMG changes and the Skill challenge rules), fully half a page just for stealth. Most of the errata is for powers, monsters, and magic items... none of which matter to the core ruleset.

Have you printed the whole thing out and checked? 115 pages of single sided heavy printer paper is very nearly the same physical size as 288 pages of glossy bound pages.

Considering also, that it isnt the core rules changing that bother me, but all the power and monster and item changes that are annoying, the changes to the core rules are, irrelevant.

To be honest, I cant think of any core rule change I have even paid attention to. All the crap about stealth I have ignored.

People who complain about the errata and the vast amounts of it might be forgetting how broken 3.5 was after you added in many of the books (I am looking at you spell compendium and book of 9 swords). The fact that there is errata means that there is attention being paid to it, and I for one think it's a good thing.

Wow, it is almost like I never got a compendium or a Bo9S. Mostly cause all the rules changes had pissed me off then too.

If your group elects to ignore the errata, you should probably choose to ignore the add on books, because unless you adjust the core rules, the power creep on the player side will become unbalanced. The original game, with no errata works well.

Ask Zaran what I told him about wanting to get monk multi-class in my game.

Again, oddly enough, I havent bought a D&D book for a while cause the power creep is getting to be too much. Like you said, the original game works fairly well.

 

[Dice4Hire]

New DMG--no
New MM--yes
New PHB--ye

But only if they were the last errata. The action changes and the MM change this month makes me leery of them sitting down and saying the PHBI is done.

So in reality, I will probably not ever get an updated PHBI, which does not really bother me. I can hold most things in my head, or look them up when making characters.

All the monster's damage tables are gonna require a printout stuck in the book, though.

 

[SabreCat]

I voted "no," because the online updates do just fine for me. I know the rules well enough, and use the digital tools heavily enough, that I don't reference the errataed paper material very often anyway. For the situations where I do need to look something up at the table, it would be nice, same for an updated Monster Manual... but the Essentials books will have me covered on that count, so no need to buy the original core over again.

 

[Festivus]

I have the errata printed, double sided, sitting in front of me on my desk, yes it does look big, but it's not what I am referring to. What I think is happening here is what is being considered core RULES versus core POWERS that happen to be in the core books. The rules for 4E, to my interpretation anyhow, are incredibly simple and fit in about 32 pages. Hell, you can get them free of charge at the Wizards site. If you pull out of the errata all powers, monsters, magic items... how many pages of changes are you talking about then? Not very many.

If you want to talk about all the problems with powers, then I agree, many aren't well thought out nor regression tested against the existing rules... but at least there is effort made to fix them when the problems are exposed. But then that is also why I have a DDI account and get the errata that way (the corrections eventually do make it there).

By the way, why is the page count being used as a method of determining how poorly or well written something is. Terrible benchmark. If you want to do a comparison, someone go and count the actual number of corrections in various editions... then you have a somewhat more worthwhile comparison (as if it really mattered anyhow).