D&D 4E Does anyone agree with me about 4E?

[HeavenShallBurn]

I'd offer my opinion, but that would be impossible, because I have no opinions, only cold, hard facts and by stating them, I would stop all discourse on everything from gaming to politics, thus preventing human civilization from existing as I have already extolled perfect thought.

I reject your reality and substitute my own superior ignorance which should rightfully be the glowing omega point of the intarwebs. It's cosmic truth would solve all problems. But clearly no one here is worthy of such revelations. Instead I shall taunt you with misquoted Monty Python.

 

[Goken100]

I have a flawless logical argument to smite your strongly held opinions, but I really can't be bothered to post it because it should be obvious to anyone who knows what I'm not talking about.

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genius

 

[KoshPWNZYou]

I reject your reality and substitute my own superior ignorance which should rightfully be the glowing omega point of the intarwebs. It's cosmic truth would solve all problems. But clearly no one here is worthy of such revelations. Instead I shall taunt you with misquoted Monty Python.

You do not belong to the same political party that I belong to, nor do you follow the same deity. Therefore your cosmic truth and all your other opinions are irrelevant ... unless said opinions affirm the superiority of my political party, my deity, or me.

Since we've established that any further ramblings from you are pointless ... this thread is dead, it has ceased to exist!

 

[BBQ]

Well, it's obvious none of you have ever studied/worked in marketing. In order to create a buzz about something, you toss little snippets out at a time. That's what they're doing with the next installment of Batman. "The Dark Knight" is being put forward with a series of cryptic messages and little bits and pieces of info. The reason they do this is to A) create a buzz B) the movie wouldn't be fun for you if they were to release the whole plot, complete with spoilers, and all.

As for the people who feel they've been "talked down to" by the game design team in the D&D Insider/R&D Blogs and such, I have this to say: you're either very insecure in yourself if you feel that a game design crew that hasn't ever met you, and who in all likelihood talk like anyone else, are talking down to you, or you are reading too much into what they are saying. These are just people expressing how they feel about their jobs, the project they're working on, and what they're thinking about. They are not trying to act better than you.

As for those who think tieflings and warlocks are somehow bastardizing the game, allow me to put it this way: tieflings have been around since 2nd edition. Warlocks may have only shown up really in 3rd edition, but look at those class kits back in 2nd edition. Wild mages and such? Come on! Warlocks are just another alternative kit for magic-users. The people who complain about warlocks are probably the same people who whined about sorcerers when 3e came out.

Finally, I wonder about these people who claim that WotC lied to them or that WotC is a criminal corporation attempting to gouge/nickle & dime them out of their "hard-earned money". I don't recall Wizards of the Coast ever coming out and specifically telling me "Hey! We're not planning any new products." Also, it's been almost 9 years since they released 3e. I remember it vividly. There is a new edition of the game roughly every 8-10 years, so quit complaining about that (2nd ed. had how many revised books?). If you haven't made around $120 of spare cash in 9 years, you're probably impoverished and shouldn't be spending your leisure time playing games.

P.S.: For the people who complain about the so-called "sacred cows" of D&D being changed/done differently, etc., let me say this: Some cows need to have medicine or they will die. Some cows get old and sick and they need to die.

 

[Wightbred]

Originally Posted by Wightbred
After reading this thread I became so agitated that I joined EN World so I could post a reply.

This user is clearly just trolling as it is simply not possible that the new edition might bring a new user here. Everyone with a valid opinion must have been here at least as long as me and have at some point traded emails with eric noah over the validity of a 3e scoop.

Curses, you caught me before I got someone fired up. Naturally I'll go away and never troll again.

 

[FireLance]

Well, it's obvious none of you have ever studied/worked in marketing. In order to create a buzz about something, you toss little snippets out at a time. That's what they're doing with the next installment of Batman. "The Dark Knight" is being put forward with a series of cryptic messages and little bits and pieces of info. The reason they do this is to A) create a buzz B) the movie wouldn't be fun for you if they were to release the whole plot, complete with spoilers, and all.

As for the people who feel they've been "talked down to" by the game design team in the D&D Insider/R&D Blogs and such, I have this to say: you're either very insecure in yourself if you feel that a game design crew that hasn't ever met you, and who in all likelihood talk like anyone else, are talking down to you, or you are reading too much into what they are saying. These are just people expressing how they feel about their jobs, the project they're working on, and what they're thinking about. They are not trying to act better than you.

As for those who think tieflings and warlocks are somehow bastardizing the game, allow me to put it this way: tieflings have been around since 2nd edition. Warlocks may have only shown up really in 3rd edition, but look at those class kits back in 2nd edition. Wild mages and such? Come on! Warlocks are just another alternative kit for magic-users. The people who complain about warlocks are probably the same people who whined about sorcerers when 3e came out.

Finally, I wonder about these people who claim that WotC lied to them or that WotC is a criminal corporation attempting to gouge/nickle & dime them out of their "hard-earned money". I don't recall Wizards of the Coast ever coming out and specifically telling me "Hey! We're not planning any new products." Also, it's been almost 9 years since they released 3e. I remember it vividly. There is a new edition of the game roughly every 8-10 years, so quit complaining about that (2nd ed. had how many revised books?). If you haven't made around $120 of spare cash in 9 years, you're probably impoverished and shouldn't be spending your leisure time playing games.

P.S.: For the people who complain about the so-called "sacred cows" of D&D being changed/done differently, etc., let me say this: Some cows need to have medicine or they will die. Some cows get old and sick and they need to die.

I make a snarky comment about the poster trying to derail the thread with facts and logic, and end the post with an angry smiley.

 

[Jinete]

Well, it's obvious none of you have ever studied/worked in marketing. In order to create a buzz about something, you toss little snippets out at a time. That's what they're doing with the next installment of Batman. "The Dark Knight" is being put forward with a series of cryptic messages and little bits and pieces of info. The reason they do this is to A) create a buzz B) the movie wouldn't be fun for you if they were to release the whole plot, complete with spoilers, and all.

I find your first sentence insulting and condescending, so I will comment on it, while totally ignoring the rest.

I have this to say: you're either very insecure in yourself, or you are reading too much.

I will use this mis-quote to prove my point.

As for those who think tieflings and warlocks are somehow bastardizing the game, allow me to put it this way: tieflings have been around since 2nd edition. Warlocks may have only shown up really in 3rd edition, but look at those class kits back in 2nd edition. Wild mages and such?

I totally disagree with what you just said. In fact, I use an absurd comparison which has little to do with what you are saying to show you how foolish you truly are.

Come on! Warlocks are just another alternative kit for magic-users. The people who complain about warlocks are probably the same people who whined about sorcerers when 3e came out.

Short remark about the above being wrong.

Finally, I wonder about these people who claim that WotC lied to them or that WotC is a criminal corporation attempting to gouge/nickle & dime them out of their "hard-earned money". I don't recall Wizards of the Coast ever coming out and specifically telling me "Hey! We're not planning any new products."

I will agree with this part to prove that I'm not just flaming, rather I'm being very intelligent and objective.


Here I will write something that may or may not be related to your post, but serves as a conclusion definitely showing you and everyone else I'm a lot smarter and definitely more mature. The views I express are so general that nobody can disagree with them, although they bring nothing to the discussion.

 

[Cadfan]

Here I repeat a derogatory comment about WOTC that I believe to be witty, and which I have posted at least once in every single thread on this forum. But I haven't posted it in this particular thread before, so I'm not a troll.

 

[Cadfan]

Blatant denial that attitudes expressed repeatedly on this forum actually exist at all, coupled with insistence that my opponents dig through pages and pages of text to provide me with documentary proof of these attitudes, and leavened with a suggestion that I will lawyerly parse the words of my opponent and of any quotes they might bring me so as to be able to declare technical victory even if my opponent is in fact able to prove his original assertion.

 

[Wormwood]

You have systematically proved my premise baseless and all of my arguments flawed; thus I will now 'agree to disagree' and call it a draw.