D&D (2024) Does anyone else think that 1D&D will create a significant divide in the community?

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

not withstanding your snark this is the only part we agree on...

We saw that most tables DID NOT mix and match 3e and 3.5... I saw Gencon games, Origins games, 3 gaming stores (2 no longer open) and many groups and the defualt answer at all of them was "No you can't use 3.0 haste in 3.5"

I did know someone that kinda house ruled in an improved haste as a 5th level spell based on 3.0.... but I don't think that counts.

I will admit it didn't happen over night... but as Ccomplete warrior updated sword and fist I saw less and less table let sword and fist in... by the time of complete.... the rouge one I can't remember... It wasn't just stuff that was updated but things that WILL be updated soonish

now maybe my 25+ years of gaming has 100% the opposite experience as you and in witch case NEITEHR could say for sure who's experience is more common... but I doubt you played with many 3.5 DMs who just let you use 3.0 spells feats and rules.

I will say with confidence that most people's play experience isn't as a wandering player, moving from group to group. Most people who play do so with an established group and they don't have this sort of friction on a repeated basis. The group comes to some sort of consensus and then they play.

If you want your experience to be the mark of there being an ongoing split, OK -- it is your experience. But I suspect you can't roll up on many games at cons and demand to play by different rules than the DM wants to use generally, with edition changes just being one possible version of that. Running games for the public is hard enough without having to make a ruling on the fly about what some stranger wants you to incorporate into your game with the clock ticking.

Again, go ahead and look through the ENWorld archives. A year after 3.5 came out, everyone had settled down into whatever their status quo was.

By late 2025, I predict everyone will be back to fighting about alignments and warlock patrons again, rather than over some deep and abiding rift between 5E and 1D&D.

 

[Incenjucar]

A larger impact is going to be through entertainers and influencers and what they encourage their audiences to do. The OGL fiasco in itself is going to have a non-zero impact, but I expect most of the damage from that has been mitigated now.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Maybe. Too early to tell I think.

Normally, I believe (from what I understand at least, I may be mistaken) they TRY (in otherwords, there may have been mistakes made) to publish to most recent version of the rules, and hopefully with the included errata if it was officially released in a publication.

This is why 2e has the Newer versions released from the 2010s rather than those from the late 80s and early 90s.

I think in regards to half edition changes, they don't have 3e core available for release (yet at least), but they do have the 3.5 versions available (and PoD as well if you desire).

I think it will depend on what angle they want to take with the 5e and One D&D release. I would assume that right now they are not planning on releasing the current Core books on DMsGuild (I could be wrong, have been before), but obviously, depending on what happens, that could change in the future.

If it is FULLY compatible though, and is basically seen as more of a jump rather than a new edition (being compatible and all) I would expect, in how they've done prior rules, they would not release the books.

On the otherhand, if you go very far back, they HAVE released BX, BECMI, and the RC in PDF format at the same time...though technically you could also say they are different versions/editions of that game as well. Maybe...

Yeah, BX, BECMI and RC don't meaningfully compete with 5E, as far as WotC is concerned, so that was an easier decision. I suspect they won't view 5E that way, at least for some time.

But, as you say, they haven't released the original 3E core books, and they should be sitting on the digital files to do so, if they wanted to, so the re-release project is probably a generally low priority for them.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

A larger impact is going to be through entertainers and influencers and what they encourage their audiences to do. The OGL fiasco in itself is going to have a non-zero impact, but I expect most of the damage from that has been mitigated now.

Bob the Builder isn't getting anything like the wining and dining the Critical Role crew is, I'm sure.

Next campaign will be filmed aboard Matt Mercer's new yacht, The 1D&D.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I will say with confidence that most people's play experience isn't as a wandering player, moving from group to group. Most people who play do so with an established group and they don't regularly have this sort of friction on a repeated basis. The group comes to some sort of consensus and then they play.

I'm sorry but what does this have to do with anything I said?

If you want your experience to be the mark of there being an ongoing split, OK -- it is your experience. But I suspect you can't roll up on many games at cons and demand to play by different rules than the DM wants to use generally, with edition changes just being one possible version of that.

or store games, or even home gams... I don't think I have met many DMs that would say "Oh you want to use an older or newer rule book then the game, no problemo"

Running games for the public is hard enough without having to make a ruling on the fly about what some stranger wants you to incorporate into your game with the clock ticking.

agreed... but those ruleings don't not need to be made in your home game... and at that point you are just homebrewing anyway.

Again, go ahead and look through the ENWorld archives. A year after 3.5 came out, everyone had settled down into whatever their status quo was.

By late 2025, I predict everyone will be back to fighting about alignments and warlock patrons again, rather than over some deep and abiding rift between 5E and 1D&D.

right I agree... cause EVERYONE on the board will label it 1d&D or 5e D&D or what ever labels we work with... we won't be arguing we will be split

AND even that wont work 100% just look for people who ask if a feat works they way they think and people jump in with 3.5 ruleing instead of 5e ones...

 

[Micah Sweet]

Outside of established groups house ruling, it will be this. Play the most up to date rule set, and everything else will fade into irrelevancy.

One more reason I'm glad Level Up exists as a separate entity, and one more reason not to give 6e the time of day.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I'm sorry but what does this have to do with anything I said?

This was you, wasn't it?

We saw that most tables DID NOT mix and match 3e and 3.5... I saw Gencon games, Origins games, 3 gaming stores (2 no longer open) and many groups and the defualt answer at all of them was "No you can't use 3.0 haste in 3.5"

or store games

This is still you treating playing D&D like being a ronin, wandering the land with your tattered previous edition PHB.

right I agree... cause EVERYONE on the board will label it 1d&D or 5e D&D or what ever labels we work with... we won't be arguing we will be split

I think this is dissolving into some sort of weird semantic argument now, so you win, OK?

For everyone else, I think perusing the historical record is informative.

 

[Scribe]

One more reason I'm glad Level Up exists as a separate entity, and one more reason not to give 6e the time of day.

I mean thats fine, but thats just a more advanced form of house ruling 5e isnt it?

 

[Micah Sweet]

This was you, wasn't it?


This is still you treating playing D&D like being a ronin, wandering the land with your tattered previous edition PHB.

I think this is dissolving into some sort of weird semantic argument now, so you win, OK?

For everyone else, I think perusing the historical record is informative.

I really like that ronin metaphor, wandering the land armed with rulebooks from the '80s and a dice holster...

 

[Micah Sweet]

I mean thats fine, but thats just a more advanced form of house ruling 5e isnt it?

Depends on how you look at it. Level Up has a priduct list and a community you can be a part of, one that is no less valuable to me than WotC's. Nobody but me and my tablemates know much of anything about my houserules.