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D&D 5E Does the Variant Human need a boost now after Tasha's changes

ScuroNotte

Explorer
With the other Races being able to place their bonuses any where, that makes Humans the weakest choice. The variant Human +1 to any 2 scores is trivial, even with the bonus feat at first level. Selecting an ASI boost for 1st level only makes your character on par with the other races for ability score improvement. However, humans are not in the stadium, let alone the game, when it comes to the additional skills, weapons, spells, abilities, etc that the other races get.

If you agree, what other feature should be offered?
 

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Ace

Adventurer
With the other Races being able to place their bonuses any where, that makes Humans the weakest choice. The variant Human +1 to any 2 scores is trivial, even with the bonus feat at first level. Selecting an ASI boost for 1st level only makes your character on par with the other races for ability score improvement. However, humans are not in the stadium, let alone the game, when it comes to the additional skills, weapons, spells, abilities, etc that the other races get.

If you agree, what other feature should be offered?
I've seen people suggest just using the standard human and allowing a bonus feat a skill. This might be a little strong but I think its roughly on par with Half Elves.
 
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Horwath

Hero
no ability bonuses:

common language,
2 bonus feats.

This represents human as ultimate versatile race.
You can get 2 half feats to catch up a little with ability scores and 2 minor features
or two excelent features and bad scores(needing atleast 3 ASIs to max your primary).
 


But now that a custom race can start with a feat and with Darkvision they seem to be better than Vhuman for anyone with a class that only needs one 16.
 

But now that a custom race can start with a feat and with Darkvision they seem to be better than Vhuman for anyone with a class that only needs one 16.

Then play one then, and call it a human.

I'm not seeing a race with 2 x +1's, a feat and a skill is that much different to 1 x +2, a feat and a skill or darkvision (and being Small if thats your thing).
 




ScuroNotte

Explorer
Which race is next after we bump humans? Where does it end?
Unfortunately, Tasha opened Pandora’s box with the option for races to trade each individual weapon or armor for a skill or tool. So an Elf with proficiency in 4 weapons can exchange that for 4 tools/skills. An Elf fighter would do that as they are already proficient in them. Combine that with placing bonus scores anywhere and we have Pandora’s box. I think WoTC did not think this through at all
 

6ENow!

The Game Is Over
This just illuminates the fact that if you're going to have floating ability scores for all races, then all races should've been designed with those in mind in the first place. As it stands, Tasha's rules for this are just half-baked and result in the nastiest imbalance 5e has seen, by far.
Yep, they keep adding crap without understanding the game balance gets thrown out the window.
 



Warpiglet-7

Adventurer
This just illuminates the fact that if you're going to have floating ability scores for all races, then all races should've been designed with those in mind in the first place. As it stands, Tasha's rules for this are just half-baked and result in the nastiest imbalance 5e has seen, by far.
I was a skeptic about tashas. A hater. Then I read it.

I like many of the options. My warlock can do cooler things. Some of this stuff is mechanically equivalent but very flavorful.

however, the custom race thing was poorly poorly done.

and though I like a fair amount of the flavor, humans with dark vision seems out of nowhere. This part of the book can just be excluded. It solves nothing but creates more of a problem than it was ever intended to fix.
 


tetrasodium

Hero
Supporter
No I don't believe that variant human needs a boost. If wotc does something like this to boost all of the loser races up then maybe a small one might be deserved, but even then still probably not because the value of a multifeat concept coming online 4 levels sooner than everyone else should not be ignored fpr thy hypothetical variant human that takes something like actor
 

Then play one then, and call it a human.

I'm not seeing a race with 2 x +1's, a feat and a skill is that much different to 1 x +2, a feat and a skill or darkvision (and being Small if thats your thing).
The latter lets you to start with a 18. Considering that the biggest complaint about how the ASIs originally worked was that some races could get one point higher modifier than others, I am a tad perplexed how this is not seen as a bigger deal.
 

ScuroNotte

Explorer
No I don't believe that variant human needs a boost. If wotc does something like this to boost all of the loser races up then maybe a small one might be deserved, but even then still probably not because the value of a multifeat concept coming online 4 levels sooner than everyone else should not be ignored fpr thy hypothetical variant human that takes something like actor
Giving the V human the bonus feat was to compensate for the other races getting bonus weapons, abilities, spells with the restrictions of where points are distributed. With that eliminated and the other benefits of gaining more skills/tools, it’s very apparent the gap has dramatically widened
 

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