Does WotC have a new printer?

ecliptic said:
This is more than a 'slightly less' paper quality. Down right absolutely horrible. The binding is very poor aswell.

A book that should last me years has to be high quality.
If it's the binding, then that should be cause for concern. Personally, I prefer sewn-bound binding with glue reinforcement. I hate it when they lazy-ass shortcut it: by gluing the pages as if it is a softcover book only to put the hard covers last and sell it off as a hardcover.
 

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Charles Ryan mentioned over on the WotC boards that they'll be going back to the older style of paper that didn't feel cheaper and thinner (despite apparently not being so) albeit with their new printer still handling the binding and printing.

Charles Ryan said:
Paper: This issue came up a while back in this thread. I'll repeat the jist of my answer then.

Like any company (or individual for that matter), we occasionally reexamine the deals we have with vendors that provide us with ongoing services. We recently went through that process with our printer, and we ended up changing printers. The factors that went into the decision were manyfold: cost, certainly, but also quality, scheduling capabilities, shipping issues, and so on.

We did not change the specifications of our books. In other words, we required the new vendor to meet the exact same specifications as the old printer, and that includes paper specs. However, the new vendor gets their paper from a different supplier, and that can lead to minor differences in the "feel" of the paper.

The long and short of it: The paper in our newer books isn't any thinner than the paper in our older titles, even though it may have a slightly different surface characteristic. In fact, the new vendor's paper is actually considered a slightly higher grade than paper than the paper we previously used.

For those not convinced, here's a simple test: Lay Lords of Madness down on your dining-room table. Lay an older 224-page D&D book (Unearthed Arcana, for example) down next to it, edge-to-edge. You'll see that they're exactly the same thickness. If one of the books had thinner paper, there'd be a quite noticeable difference in their thicknesses.

Now, all that said, even though the new vendor was giving us a slightly higher-grade paper, we've asked them to go to the same supplier as our old vendor and get the exact same paper we used in the past. We listened to your comments, and since you were more comfortable with the paper we've used in the past, we're going back to it. You won't see that change for another couple months (printing is done some time in advance), but expect to see it soon!

Bindings: This issue sort of follows the discussion above; it relates to our change in print vendors.

Our new printer is a major U.S. printing company with an excellent reputation; that was one of the things that attracted us to them. Unfortunately, in the few months they've been working for us there have been some, well, lets call it "hiccups," in the transition. There have been flaws in several books. Some of them have been very minor--the sort of thing most people would never notice but which bug the heck out of us--and some have been quite substantial. In fact, we've made them go back and completely reprint a couple of books from scratch.

One of the problems involved the bindings on Lords of Madness. Because this problem only affected some of the books, not the entire print run, we didn't catch it until the books had shipped. We recalled all of the books that were in the distribution channel and had the printer reprint it. The books currently on the marketplace should all be the reprints, but some books from the first batch had already been sold when we issued the recall, and some in the channels might not have made it back to us. In other words, there's a small chance you might have (or get) one of the bad books.

If you have a copy of Lords of Madness with a shoddy binding (or any D&D product that's defective--in any print run, there's always a tiny percentage of product that's not up to snuff), contact WotC Customer Service (custserv@wizards.com). We're always happy to replace bad product.

I hope that answers your questions. Feel free to post more if you have them!
 


I think thats very responsive and responsiable of WOTC, with regards to Shemeska's post. Its good to see evidence that our supplier cares about their product and our relationship with it, not jsut if we buy it or not. Thugh i suppose we shouldnt give them too much credit, I mean if your average drug dealer does it, we should at the least expect it of a niche company. but bravo to WOTC w/ that response. Here's to hoping they follow up on it.
 

I agree, that is good news. It, however, doesn't address my concern regarding Wizard's recent layout decisions, increasing point size and leading -- therefore expanding the length of their books -- while charging you the same price as before.

But hey, I'll cheerfully admit this could just be a personal pet peeve of mine; I'm something of a layout whore. :D
 

Bindings are still bad

What Charles Ryan wrote is all well and good, but the bindings on DMG II and Waterdeep are pretty bad, and they both were printed well after Lords of Madness. The binding on Heroes of Battle is the worst yet--just awful.

The biggest disappointment so far? The cover of Waterdeep is actually glossy! :mad:

Take your DMG II and check out its cover and binding in comparison to your DMG. Now compare the cover and bindings of the Waterdeep book to any of the other 3e FR books. You will be sorely disappointed.

Long and short--WotC books used to feel like they would stand up to a decade of hard gaming use. Now, they just feel like any old 3rd party book. Shame on them!

And going back to the old paper isn't going to fix this problem. Everybody, say goodbye to the era of quality hardcovers from WotC. :(
 

Abulia said:
I agree, that is good news. It, however, doesn't address my concern regarding Wizard's recent layout decisions, increasing point size and leading -- therefore expanding the length of their books -- while charging you the same price as before.

Um, I hate to add fuel to your fire, but they're actually charging more lately. Champions of Ruin and Heroes of Battle were both 160-page books. Previously, a 160-page book (Compete Warrior) sold at $26.99, but now 160-pagers are $29.99. ;)
 


Binding looks fine to me, have people actually been having problems with it, or is this more of a "I think it'll fall apart!" thing?

I've had plenty of books fall apart pretty quickly, mostly SR and some of the early AD&D books, these seem fine so far, and I don't really pamper my books.
 

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