domain question????

[Crothian]

Only reason I can think of is that it's a free power boost that benefits nonclerics more than clerics.

If a cleric gets a third domain, even a prestige domain, he gains the domain power and access to the new domain's spells as bonus spells. He still only gets one bonus domain spell per spell level. Moreover, clerics have such a huge spell list that the domain spells are unlikely to add THAT much diversity to their spell selection.

A druid, paladin, or ranger who gets a domain, OTOH, gets a bonus spell per spell level that the character didn't have before. Moreover, these classes have correspondingly smaller spell lists than the cleric, so the increased spellcasting diversity is comparatively a bigger bonus for them than for the cleric.

A sorcerer or wizard is benefited by gaining access to some divine spells, which can really be a boost if those spells include some healing spells. Moreover, getting a bonus spell known per spell level is a HUGE benefit for the bard and sorcerer, whose main spellcasting restriction is number of spells known.

Now these are some very good points. I'd say that if just the PHB domains where used it wouldn't be a problem. But many of the domains in FRCS and the prestige Domains do give a normal cleric too much power. That power is even greater for the non clerics who manage to get there. Hmm, now is there a way to fix it without just outlawing it entirely?

 

[Wippit Guud]

Well, the ability to have access to domain spells, which is a separate spellcasting type entirely, is represented on the spell list as and addition... so with say 5+1, the +1 represents domain spell access.

If the class does not confer a +1 to the spell list, than that character should not have access to domain spells. Note that some prestige classes grant a spell list that includes a +1 in them, giving that character access. Whihc would elminiate most npon-cleric gaining those spells.

However, everyone would get access to domain powers.

 

[nwn_deadman]

LC campaigns do not allow non-clerics to have additional spells per day.

They do allow the spells to be added to the bard/sorcerer spells known and to be scribed into a wizards book.

This makes sence to be because:

The extra spell per day is a class feature of the cleric

The domains in themselves do not add the extra spell per day to the spell per level of the character



These 2 things show why a non-cleric that gains access to a Prc domain should not get the added spells per day.

 

[RogueJK]

The domains in themselves do not add the extra spell per day to the spell per level of the character.

Yes they do. Reread page 77 in DotF. Any divine caster, who isn't a cleric, who gains access to a domain also gains the extra spell per level for domain spells, just like a cleric.

(Note: I'm not totally clear on what you are trying to say, so correct me if I misunderstood...)

 

[ruleslawyer]

Well, nwn_deadman only used bards, sorcerers, and wizards as examples of "non-cleric" spellcasters, so I think he may have meant to say "non-divine spellcasters." Such spellcasters do NOT get the extra spell per spell level. Non-cleric divine spellcasters (druids, paladins, rangers) DO get the extra domain spell per spell level, as you pointed out last page, RogueJK.

 

[Magus_Jerel]

hmmm - the text pointed out is fairly clear on this point.

While you get the domain's granted power - you have to have the actual slots to cast the domain spells from as far as "extra" spells.

IIRC - you can prepare a domain spell if it is on your "spells known" - in any slot - even those you have that are not domain spells.

Therefore - you "get" the spells - but not extra slots if you don't already have them. Hope this helps.

 

[Bobbystopholes]

I just read the passage on page 77 of Defenders of the Faith and I seem to be reading it differently than some of you.

"If Delliva, an 8th-level cleric, enters the sacred exorcist prestige class and gains access to the Exorcism pretige domain. The domain's granted power gives her the ability to turn evil outsiders. She may choose the spells in the Exorcism domain for ther domain spells on a given day. The number of spells she can cast per day does not increase, because she is a cleric."

First off, the bad grammar is all theirs. Second, it seems some people here think you get another domain spell slot, clearly not the case. Third, non-clerics get more spells, that sucks for clerics!

I wish the people who thought you got another slot were right. It sucks that if you take mysticism, you can cast Greater Aspect of the Diety only in your 9th level slot, but a Wizard can prepare it as many times as they want if they get the same domain.

 

[Zhure]

Shaman also have domains, and pick up a third at 10th (? maybe 11th?) level.

Just thought I'd toss that in.

Greg