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reanjr said:
Thats why they can't keep Burfoot in that evil plane (Thakarsis (sp?)).
don't insult the purpose of a door by locking it
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Thats why they can't keep Burfoot in that evil plane (Thakarsis (sp?)).
SorvahrSpahr
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besides, what better way to get your team-mate out of jail, than having a kender distracting the guards?
lukelightning
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A whole race of kleptos who's only defense is to play the "race card" (e.g. "It's ok for me to steal since it isn't really stealing since it's a racial trait..").
I think kender should be evil. Stealing wrong, and the fact that "they don't know any better" is disingenuous. Yeah, there surely is going to be a reply "no, stealing isn't evil, it's neutral" but face it, kender steal things they don't need from people who do. They have no regard for other people's livelihoods.
If you made a race that had an inherent disdain for other people's lives and saw nothing wrong in killing, could you claim they could still kill innocents without being evil?
I think kender should be evil. Stealing wrong, and the fact that "they don't know any better" is disingenuous. Yeah, there surely is going to be a reply "no, stealing isn't evil, it's neutral" but face it, kender steal things they don't need from people who do. They have no regard for other people's livelihoods.
If you made a race that had an inherent disdain for other people's lives and saw nothing wrong in killing, could you claim they could still kill innocents without being evil?
Plot-Device
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Marut are neutral and they kill people who have denied the grave.
Kender should be banned from PC parties for the same reason Frenzied Berserkers should be banned. They cause the deaths of other PCs by their very existence. They don't need to do anything special, like intentionally cast a fireball that hits their friends. They just get you killed by existing. In the case of the FB, it's because they turn on you and carve you into little bits. In the case of kender it's because they get you into unwinnable fights and cause key pieces of gear to stop working (because they're in the kender's pouch instead of where they belong).
darthkilmor
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I played a kender wizard in a short-lived dragonlance game, it was one of the most fun characters i've ever played. It takes a DM willing to let you be silly and fun (for instance, party is beginning a fight with a minotaur, DM: 'Hey, that minotaur has a nice big shiny ring in his nose' , Me: Jump up and grab it !, DM: <ajudicates what should happen, everyone has a laugh, game goes on> )
(second for instance (i was dm'ing this so had to npc-ish the kender), party is exploring a cave that turns into worked stone, finds a kind of platform with a handle, everyone's looking at inscriptions, etc, kender just pulls the handle and teleport vanishes, party debates whether to try and follow and find him )
They're fun with the right kind of player and DM, if you're very much the little-too-serious "omg he stole my belt i'll kill him yaarrrr!" then you probably wont like kender.
(before someone says OMG noob kender cant concentrate long enough to be a wizard blah blah, we had a set of compromises such as, always had to take spell mastery (so I didnt need a spellbook), and a few other things that I cant remember, but it was reasonable )
(second for instance (i was dm'ing this so had to npc-ish the kender), party is exploring a cave that turns into worked stone, finds a kind of platform with a handle, everyone's looking at inscriptions, etc, kender just pulls the handle and teleport vanishes, party debates whether to try and follow and find him )
They're fun with the right kind of player and DM, if you're very much the little-too-serious "omg he stole my belt i'll kill him yaarrrr!" then you probably wont like kender.
(before someone says OMG noob kender cant concentrate long enough to be a wizard blah blah, we had a set of compromises such as, always had to take spell mastery (so I didnt need a spellbook), and a few other things that I cant remember, but it was reasonable )
SorvahrSpahr
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wow, it's impressive to see how there are 2 major oppinions about kender, either you love'em or you hate them
Kender are to D&D what Jar-jar was to Star Wars.
Both are utter abominations, and must be destroyed at all costs.
I have played in a game with a Kender PC. Once. Never again. I would rather not play than suffer through that again.
However, if the game centered around us playing characters who delighted the capture, torture, and slaughter of all Kender in existence (for the sake of the rest of Dragonlance's inhabitants)...I may be convinced to play.
Eric
Both are utter abominations, and must be destroyed at all costs.
I have played in a game with a Kender PC. Once. Never again. I would rather not play than suffer through that again.
However, if the game centered around us playing characters who delighted the capture, torture, and slaughter of all Kender in existence (for the sake of the rest of Dragonlance's inhabitants)...I may be convinced to play.
Eric
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