D&D 5E "Doom Sun" − reconstructing a 5e Dark Sun setting for the DMs Guild

So sadly that does nothing to refute the idea that it was an "accident" rather than an accident.
Yeah, I'm not sure it was a deliberate tease. That said, I do think they intended for Doomspace to be Dark Sun (as evidenced by the map and all the Dark Sun creatures, the defiling, etc), but they changed their minds shortly before publication. As @Charlaquin says upthread, though, if that initial map hadn't been leaked, people would never know that Doomspace had been Dark Sun at one stage.
 

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I think you’re over-estimating the amount of content the book dedicates to Doomspace. It’s just a two-page spread. Someone posted a screen shot of it. That’s it, that’s all there is.
Not overestimating, more trying to figure out how close this actually was to Athas. As in, what elements did the two share beyond a post-apocalypse environment and some monsters.

To be honest, it sounds like the original intent was Athas but they changed it while still early in the development cycle. It has enough in common to be inspired by Dark Sun but different enough to not be a clone of it.
 

Yeah, I'm not sure it was a deliberate tease. That said, I do think they intended for Doomspace to be Dark Sun (as evidenced by the map and all the Dark Sun creatures, the defiling, etc), but they changed their minds shortly before publication. As @Charlaquin says upthread, though, if that initial map hadn't been leaked, people would never know that Doomspace had been Dark Sun at one stage.
Some would still speculate it is the "cameo" previously mention IMO.
 



okay for those of us that are NOT into real world science, is there a reason that a super massive black hole (the millions or billions of stars in the center of the galaxy) would not just be a bigger still succk to be the planet problem? I assume it can't pull things faster... but I may be wrong

The first problem is the narrative doesn't fit. The destruction of one star shouldn't result in millions of stellar masses, even if you wave your hands and shout "But MAGIC!!!!1!one!" at the top of your lungs. You don't need millions of stellar masses to make the thing collapse - you can do it with 5 to tens of solar masses.

And, "pull faster" isn't a meaningful phrase. It pulls harder, and as a result objects move towards it faster. And yes, it pulls harder. Imagine how hard the Sun pulls on the Earth. If you replace the Sun with a black hole with a million solar masses, it will pull on the Earth a million times harder. Hm... let me crunch some numbers. Back in a sec...

Edit to add, okay, so say you replaced the Sun with a black hole that had the mass of a million suns.

The Earth normally feels an acceleration due to the Sun's gravity of 0.006 m/s^2. Jack that up by a million, and it is 6000 m/s^2. The Earth falls toward the hole, reaching 10% of the speed of light in about 83 minutes. If relativity weren't a factor, the planet would be at the black hole within another hour and a half. Less, really, as the acceleration increases the closer you get to the black hole.

From the outside, you have the time dilation thing where the planet seems to slow down as it approaches, light coming from it red-shifting as it falls, until it fades from view because no eye or instrument can detect the light it is emitting.

From the planet's point of view - less than three hours from the event until doom.
 
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Yeah, I'm not sure it was a deliberate tease. That said, I do think they intended for Doomspace to be Dark Sun (as evidenced by the map and all the Dark Sun creatures, the defiling, etc), but they changed their minds shortly before publication. As @Charlaquin says upthread, though, if that initial map hadn't been leaked, people would never know that Doomspace had been Dark Sun at one stage.
I don't think it was all that late, to be honest.

Artwork takes a lot of time to get. You have to put your orders in for a product like this months if not a year before publication. Which means they had to know what monsters were going to be in Boo's Menagerie probably before Light of Xarxis was done. Probably between the art order and publication, it was decided not to use Athas, but I'm sure some prototype art (like the map with the obvious spelling error) got made and then changed. They probably decided using Athas would open up more worms than they were ready to deal with, so the chapter got a pretty decent rewrite while they attempted to salvage what they could from the original Dark Sun idea and artwork.

I don't think the original idea was to use an Athas 6 minutes from destruction. I think they wanted it to be a Barsoom like homage. However, the idea didn't work like they wanted and it was changed. I don't think it lessens Dark Suns odds per se, I just don't think they could do it justice in the space the module was giving it.
 

I mean that's possible, but I don't think even WotC would have been foolish enough to even plan to publicly execute a setting. I feel like even if one guy at WotC was that spice-y, it'd have been caught a lot earlier on and nixed. One thing 5E has been pretty careful about has been horribly offending fans of existing settings - like the 5E version of the Forgotten Realms is very much "Whooops we went too far in 4E, here's basically-3E FR back!".

That could be, but here's my counter-theory.

Originally Fyreen-Athas wasn't that close to destruction (though maybe one of the other planets was). The limited (or significant?) re-writing to push it closer to destruction so people didn't get hyped about Fyreen as an upcoming setting or rather more importantly because it was kewl.
Perhaps it’s for the best that we’ll never know for sure.
 

I don't think it was all that late, to be honest.

Artwork takes a lot of time to get. You have to put your orders in for a product like this months if not a year before publication. Which means they had to know what monsters were going to be in Boo's Menagerie probably before Light of Xarxis was done. Probably between the art order and publication, it was decided not to use Athas, but I'm sure some prototype art (like the map with the obvious spelling error) got made and then changed. They probably decided using Athas would open up more worms than they were ready to deal with, so the chapter got a pretty decent rewrite while they attempted to salvage what they could from the original Dark Sun idea and artwork.

I don't think the original idea was to use an Athas 6 minutes from destruction. I think they wanted it to be a Barsoom like homage. However, the idea didn't work like they wanted and it was changed. I don't think it lessens Dark Suns odds per se, I just don't think they could do it justice in the space the module was giving it.
I don’t know what the process looks like, but I think the change must have been made some time after the playtesting phase.
 

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