Draconomicron, Libris Mortis, Lords of Madness

twofalls

DM Beadle
I'm certain someone else has done this thread, I just can't find it and am curious about other peoples impressions on the works. I purchased them as they came out (as illustrated by the thread title) and here were my impressions;

Draconomicron was a fun read. I enjoyed the breakdown of the general habits and attitudes of the various dragon types and thought the new dragons were a bit interesting. I like reading about D&D's version of Dragon physiology and some of the Slayer Concepts. The Prestige classes didn't interest me so much, but then I think that has more to do with my general boredom with prestige classes in general. All in all I thought it was a good book and well worth my money.

Libris Mortis was a total disappointment. I very much wish I had taken a deeper look at the book in the store before handing my money over, and will unlikely ever find anything useful to my game in it. I didn't care for the art, the concepts, or the execution of the book. Feats, spells, PrC... I have tons of all of these already and I wish they would stop putting them in WotC material. The idea of running undead as PC's is actually rather interesting, but is addressed in much more style by both GURPS and White Wolf than by WotC. This book had nothing to offer me, and actually made me very wary of buying WotC material without reading reviews on them here and going over them in detail at the store first.

Lords of Madness is a very good book. The material is well illustrated (the cover art is masterful) and the ideas inside are interesting and useful. The histories offered on the major aberration races are both interesting and can add a lot of depth to an existing game, or generate a central campaign theme all on their own. The new aberrations are interesting and fun, and even the feats and some of the spells are useful (and I don't usually feel that way as noted above). I particularly like the idea of the Illithids returning from the end of the Universe to seed their race across time and space... neat concept.

How did the rest of you react to these titles?
 

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I really liked each book. My favorite was probably the Draconcomicon, since it went into so much detail on everything and had options for players and GMs. I felt the books went away from that as they progressed, with Lords of Madness having less for players.

Then again, Draconomicon covers a small breadth of information than the other two books. Different undead creatures and different abberations vary widely from each other and seem to have very little in common. Especially compared to the varieties of dragons.

I wasn't disappointed with any of the books, though.
 

Pretty much spot on to my own opinion:

Draconomicon was one of the best WotC books for 3e. Libris Mortis crashed and burned in a flaming wreck of mediocrity by comparison. Lords of Madness was a thing of beauty and is back at that same level of quality as Draconomicon. Draconomicon = no complaints. LM = fairly good but not great. LoM = Really I can only nitpick about a few things but the good stuff utterly outshines that nitpicky stuff (the claim of the Illithid empire being 2k years ago is incompatable with all the previous details on them and the Gith races. It might have been a typo intending to be 20k, but that's still off from previous stuff)
 

Draconomicon - Great book. Great art, great flavor text, great monsters, and the sample dragons are an excellent addition (mostly because statting out dragons is a pain in the arse). I love this book.

Libris Mortis - I enjoy it for what it is, though it could've been a lot better. Add some better editing, make the book longer, and reduce the amount of cruddy monsters and the book would be quite good. As it is, it's indispensable for creating evil necromancers and death cultists, but the monsters leave a lot to be desired.

Lords of Madness - Another excellent book with some cool prestige classes, excellent flavor text, great art, and cool monsters. I'm already planning an Eberron game with some Tsochari involved and I'm sure I'll be using some Beholder-kin down the line as well. In fact, I was genuinely surprised by how much flavor was in this book! This truly shows that someone at WotC was listening to all the complaints of 'too much crunch, not enough flavor!'

If I had to choose my favorite from these, I'm not sure if I could. Right now, I like Lords of Madness better than Draco, but that's probably because it's new.

After Lords of Madness, I really hope that they continue with the 'Creature Feature' books. C'mon, Fey, Giants, or Elementals! :D
 

twofalls said:
How did the rest of you react to these titles?

Pretty close to how you did.

Draconomicon is one of the best books put out by WotC for 3.5, strong in both crunchy goodness and yummy flavor.

Lords of Madness was good. Largely a reshash of old material, but good material that needed to be updated. Would have like to have seen more new options for mind flayers, frex, like the illithid weapons similar to what we have seen in Dragon.

Not greatly enthused by Libris Mortis. After Draconomicon and third party undead products, I was expecting something more amazing. Something like a 3e version of the great 2e undead Van Richten books. No such luck.
 



I think he means good-bad-good-bad...

To be honest, I'd rather WotC not put out another monster book unless they have a really strong concept for it. I don't want to see an endless list of mediocre monster books being put out just for the sake of continuity...
 

Ogrork the Mighty said:
I think he means good-bad-good-bad...

To be honest, I'd rather WotC not put out another monster book unless they have a really strong concept for it. I don't want to see an endless list of mediocre monster books being put out just for the sake of continuity...

What? WotC not formula-publish? That's pure madness. ;)
 

So what's the next monster book?

Mutual of Omaha presents : A slayers guide to animals

Goblinoids: Lords of Head Lice

Elementals my dear Watson, Or Why is the fire looking at me?

Ferns and Fungus, A guide for vegan adventurers.
 

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