Dragon #294 in today!

[Vocenoctum]

Well I imagine that Boccob will likely be a 20th Level Wizard/ 20th Level Cleric/ 10th Lvl Loremaster with the Several Spell Focuses or perhaps a salient ability that increases DC of spells.

Vecna will likely be 20th lvl Necromancer/ 20th lvl Cleric with buttloads of Necromancy advantages.

I hope Vecna's a general mage, not a necormancer. He's not a deity of necromancy, even if he WAS a lich. He could use some levels of Alienist though

I figure Boccob will pick up a few prestige classes, but of the 4, only Iuz has a prestige class (Assassin) Perhaps the divine ranking is what makes the real difference between Boccob and Vecna where magic is concerned, especially with the portfolio sense.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Triple H mate!

Are yo saying Rao is being a munchkin, a powergamer or just a bad boy who needs to be smacked around my your truly

We need to set Rao up for a Pedigree!

In all seriosness though check out those saves!!!

Remember they don't include Magic Items!

Anyone care to specualte how to actually hurt these peeps?

True Dweomers carve through saving throws like a hot knife through butter!*

*Recently found out how WotC are dealing with magic in the Epic Level Handbook.

I mean take a look at Hercs immunities

Hes a bit lightweight I thought!

Epic level or not you really need to be a deity to take these folks out. To take out Herc you would need to not only win initiative but really hope to kick his @ss in one round cause he can teleport at will.

Or get him into an Anti-Magic Field...

...but he would likely be dropped in one round anyway!

Good luck tracing him. Not to mention if he feels like beating you down with his club. Boom baby.

Perhaps Hercules would be like Big Poppa Pump...in the middle of beating you over the head with his club he would start doing push-ups for no apparent reason...

Remeber he is one of the weaker guys.

He certainly is!

Think of Thor! or Thrin or if you like Forgotten Realms. Tempus. Seriously a few levels of divine rank would be nice when taking on these guys

Thrin is Divine Rank 8.

But even without that he could take all those Greyhawk gods at once and be back in time for breakfast...which as you know is Balors on toast!

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hello mate!

Another thing. UK can you post the divine placing in the above list with Herc and Iuz. I think I see something but I am not sure. What i mean is demgod,intermdeiate etc.

Divine Rank 0 = Quasi/Hero-deity
Divine Ranks 1-5 = Demigod
Divine Ranks 6-10 = Lesser God
Divine Ranks 11-15 = Intermediate God
Divine Ranks 16-20 = Greater God
Divine Rank 21+ = Uber-deity (?)

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Vuron mate!

My only thought concerning Rao is that either he has a buttload of salient abilities to make up for his lack of levels,

Well he will have 18 Salient Divine Abilities. (Divine Rank +1).

But as a Greater God his power (and levels) will be measured against his peers.

he has invested a huge amount of energy into several divine artifacts, or that he's on the way down the godscale ladder.

Hes just sat on his backside when he should have been out adventuring!

Are we certain mortal born gods aren't considered outsiders?

I pretty much assumed that divine ascension to a realm on the outer planes made you an outsider. Under that type of a system online Prime Material powers wouldn't be outsiders.

They are still considered Outsiders but don't gain the +20 bonus Outsider HD

Another problem might be that gods of different Mythos don't all use rules in common.

Oerth might pose extra restrictions on planar powers etc. It seems very likely that the Faerun Mythos will use somewhat deviated rule sets if only to explain thier different cosmology and the existence of an overpower.

There may be additions/restrictions on a pantheon by pantheon basis but I would imagine they will all use the same general format.

 

[Vuron]

Hehe I wonder who's been breaking thier NDA

I expect some of the epic magic, artifacts, and monsters to be pretty damn tough. Using the High Level book from the 2e Options series the Scions and Paragons are liable to be buttkickers.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Vuron!

Hehe I wonder who's been breaking thier NDA

You can peice most of it together from rumours on the net.

I expect some of the epic magic, artifacts, and monsters to be pretty damn tough. Using the High Level book from the 2e Options series the Scions and Paragons are liable to be buttkickers.

I believe all the monsters therein are CR20+.

 

[S'mon]

Iuz normally has 2 forms a wizened old man and a huge demonic form.

If you were to factor in the strength and constitution ups for say moving from medium to say huge or bigger that strength stat seems pretty reasonable.

Just because Graz'zt isn't enormous doesn't mean that Iuz doesn't take after Kostochie or Fraz'urb'luu

What are you insinuating?!

Graz'zt cuckolded?!

This is how nasty rumours start!

"Oh look at the iddle-widdle babv Iuzy-wuzy, he has Fraz-Urb'luu's eyes..."

 

[Glyfair]

Are we certain mortal born gods aren't considered outsiders? I pretty much assumed that divine ascension to a realm on the outer planes made you an outsider. Under that type of a system online Prime Material powers wouldn't be outsiders.

Hercules' entry says "As an ascended mortal, Hercules does not have outsider Hit Dice as other members of the pantheon do." He is an Outsider, though. He just doesn't have any hit dice for being an Outsider.

This could be pantheon specific (the quote seems to imply this), or it could be true across the board. I see differences in the way the Greyhawk Gods are presented, but I believe these to be due to the fact that they were sent to publication at different times in the creative process and that they are aimed at a different audience.

As a note, here are some interested Salient Divine Abilities from the Dragon gods:
Iuz: Lay Curse, Wound Enemy
Pholtus: Area Divine Shield, Divine Radience, Divine Skill Focus (Sense Motive), Energy Burst, Energy Storm, Gift of Life, Instant Counterspell, Know Secrets, Lay Quest, Power of Truth
Rao: Life and Death, Mass Divine Blast, Rejuvenation, Divine Blessing (Wisdom), Battlesense
Tharizdun: Divine Inspiration (Despair)


BTW UK, Tharizdun has the SDA Avatar. In the listing for it it says "His avatar's " can't leave Tharizdun's prison either" and "one of his avatars remains trapped on the material plane." Therefore, you only need the feat once to be able to create multiple avatars.

Glyfair of Glamis

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Glyfair mate!

As a note, here are some interested Salient Divine Abilities from the Dragon gods:

Iuz: Lay Curse, Wound Enemy

Tharizdun: Divine Inspiration (Despair)

Pholtus: Area Divine Shield, Divine Radience, Divine Skill Focus (Sense Motive), Energy Burst, Energy Storm, Gift of Life, Instant Counterspell, Know Secrets, Lay Quest, Power of Truth.

Does Pholtus also have Divine Shield? (as a prerequisite to Area Divine Shield I am implying)

Rao: Life and Death, Mass Divine Blast, Rejuvenation, Divine Blessing (Wisdom), Battlesense.

Does Rao also have Divine Blast? (as a prerequisite to Mass Divine Blast I am implying)

Altogether some very interesting sounding Abilities.

BTW UK, Tharizdun has the SDA Avatar. In the listing for it it says "His avatar's " can't leave Tharizdun's prison either" and "one of his avatars remains trapped on the material plane." Therefore, you only need the feat once to be able to create multiple avatars.

Interesting!

If someone has the time, post Iuz feats - I think that should solve the question of his massive strength!?

 

[DM_Matt]

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