Dragon 301
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WizarDru
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I'll chime in that I found issue 301 to be one of the best in a while. The campaign components may not have impressed Ghoti much, but they were quite nice, to me. The 'campaign components' are exactly the kind of thing I like Dragon to provide to me: an game/rules analog to Dungeon's content. I buy Dragon for new ideas, crunchy or otherwise. The swashbuckler article, the bard article and some of the others were very well received on my end. I even enjoyed the Ecology of the Troll article, and I detest 'ecology' articles, generally speaking. But this ecology article actually gave me more material to work with, and had cruncy bits besides.
Even though my group had already created a fireball template, this one is greatly appreciated...the listing of spells it applies to on the back is extremely cool, IMHO.
Ghoti, I'm curious what you would like to see in Dragon, if this particular issue didn't appeal to you. If you had pointed to the Drow issue and said 'Worst. Issue. Ever.', I might have been more inclined to agree with you. What would you like to see Paizo producing instead? Could you point to a particular issue from the past as one of the better issues, to you?
And MtM, I have to agree with you. I thought Betrayl at Krondor was overrated, as well. That it had text from Feist was interesting, but as a game, I didn't think it was anything spectacular...just wordy.
Even though my group had already created a fireball template, this one is greatly appreciated...the listing of spells it applies to on the back is extremely cool, IMHO.
Ghoti, I'm curious what you would like to see in Dragon, if this particular issue didn't appeal to you. If you had pointed to the Drow issue and said 'Worst. Issue. Ever.', I might have been more inclined to agree with you. What would you like to see Paizo producing instead? Could you point to a particular issue from the past as one of the better issues, to you?
And MtM, I have to agree with you. I thought Betrayl at Krondor was overrated, as well. That it had text from Feist was interesting, but as a game, I didn't think it was anything spectacular...just wordy.
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WizarDru said:
I will look though my past issues and get back to you on this one, it is a good quesiton and something I should do.
My main disappointment, and maybe it is what caused me to jump the the "Worst Issue Ever" line so quickly was that on the cover it says New Sword Fighting Rules but then inside it is really Swashbucklers and Fencing Feats.... neither of which, in my mind, are sword fighting.
In my mind, sword fighting is nasty and dirty, maim/kill your opponent as quickly as possible without getting hurt yourself.
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drnuncheon
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Ghoti said:
Oh, yeah, that makes sense. If you believe that fencing is not sword fighting, I can see where you would think that this is the worst issue ever.
J
The problem, therefore, is your mind. What do swashbucklers fight with? Chicken legs? No, they mostly fight with swords.Ghoti said:
So you leaped to a conclusion, then instead of adjusting your mind to reality, you decided it was reality that was all screwed up. You decided to invent your own definition of what sword fighting was and say that the issue failed to deliver.
And your complaint that dragon is just "popular fluff" . . . yeah, I can see that. Swashbucklers are all the rage. I'm happy The Count of Monte Cristo won the Oscar for best picture, and the big floppy hats with feathers that the kids are wearing these days are so much hipper than baseball caps.
Storm Raven
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Ghoti said:
Umm, why? Are you saying that trolls shouldn't have clerics or barbarians? Or that multiclassing these types of classes is bad? What class combination might you suggest for trolls? A bard-psion perhaps?
drnuncheon said:
Oh, yeah, that makes sense. If you believe that fencing is not sword fighting, I can see where you would think that this is the worst issue ever.
J
Once again, people being snotty over other peoples' opinions...
But no, I do not veiw fencing as sword fighting. I veiw fencing as dancing with swords.
I do not know if you have seen any of the Sharpe movies, but Major Sharpe is a sword fighter..... He does what ever it takes to win as quickly as possible. In one of the movies he has a duel with a fencer. He charges him and punches him in the head, then goes on to over power the fencer to win.
Also, Justicar from the books by Paul Kidd is a sword fighter.
Seems that all the current ideas in D&D about sword fighting are about finesse, instead of fighting for your life.
But again, that is my opinion.
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Vaxalon
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Then the fencer was an incompetent. One good stop-thrust would have caught Sharpe in the armpit and punctured his lung... end of fight.
Please don't use literature to justify one form of fighting over another. That's just silly. The author determines the winner, not skill.
Certainly, a broadsword is wielded differently from a saber. But one fight in which a swordsman defeats a fencer doesn't mean that hacking is better than fencing. In a setting with light armor being the norm (such as one where firearms and urban environments are common) a rapier would be a superior weapon to a broadsword.
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That read on the situation is merely a convenient way for you to ignore your own failing. Indeed, I fail to see how you can conclude anything else, since the truth, if you accepted it, would be ego-damaging.Ghoti said:
Here it is, nonetheless. It is not that you have an opinion with which I disagree. It's quite an ill-informed and poorly-expressed opinion. By turns, that makes you discountable and unfit for respect. The fact that you express it so forcefully and rudely combines with the prior two factors to make you appear utterly buffoonish. It's that combination that encouraged me to write.
You are uninformed, and loud about your opinion, and therefore it elicits strong responses. If you want to avoid this in the future, I'd suggest crafting a more intelligent complaint in the first place.
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