Dragon #308 previews new ranger and barbarian!

[Valiantheart]

Yikes. Considering the Ranger and Barbs new abilities i hope they created a few better feats than just improved weapon specialization for the poor fighter.

 

[maddman75]

Hide in Plain Sight! Blech - I HATE that ability. It doesn't make any sense. How does one hide while not, well, being hidden? Is it invisibility? Why not call it that.

I still like mine better - wish they'd get rid of spellcasting altogether. No need for it with the multiclassing rules.

 

[Zaruthustran]

Awesome. I'm so playing a ranger. Or a bard. Or a druid.

Man, this is almost as much fun as the 3E release.

-z

 

[Eridanis]

Yikes. Considering the Ranger and Barbs new abilities i hope they created a few better feats than just improved weapon specialization for the poor fighter.

The fighter has the advantage of being able to be as flexible as the number of d20 suppliments you have will allow, while the (good) abilities of the barb and ranger are unchangable (barring house rules). It will be interesting to see how play balance works out, though.

 

[kenjib]

Gain a 2-weapon OR archery feat at levels 2, 6 and 11

I'm not sure yet that I like this. With twf -- if you want it you'll already have it by levels 6 and 11. If you want to focus on archery, you'll probably have everything you need by level 11 (6 feats already for non-human, 7 for human).

It seems like you'll just end up taking something you don't really want all that much so by level 11. Still better than the 3e fixed-twf version though. Are they adding a lot more archery feats? Are there now only 2 feats for two weapon fighting: twf and imp. twf?

Ah well, I guess we have to see what the feats are to really know.

 

[Gregor]

These guys are cool; and by cool, I mean totally sweet.

Yes......they are full of REAL ULTIMATE POWER arent they?

 

[Ashrem Bayle]

Yes......they are full of REAL ULTIMATE POWER arent they?

I heard one of their two weapon fighting bonus feats was called "Flip out and kill two people."

 

[drnuncheon]

I'm not sure yet that I like this. With twf -- if you want it you'll already have it by levels 6 and 11. If you want to focus on archery, you'll probably have everything you need by level 11 (6 feats already for non-human, 7 for human).

I think it's a fixed progression. For example, if you pick the 2WF path, you get 2WF at 2nd, something at 6th (possibly the new Two-Weapon Defense?) and then I2WF at 11.

J

 

[kenjib]

I think it's a fixed progression. For example, if you pick the 2WF path, you get 2WF at 2nd, something at 6th (possibly the new Two-Weapon Defense?) and then I2WF at 11.

J

But then if I really wanted twf, it would probably be better to just take the feats sooner with my normal feat progression and get the bonus feats as archery feats instead - feats that I might not really want. It would work if they set up the prereqs of the feats so that the earliest level you can take them coincides with the bonus feat level of the ranger. Maybe that's what will happen...

 

[Simplicity]

I think it's a fixed progression. For example, if you pick the 2WF path, you get 2WF at 2nd, something at 6th (possibly the new Two-Weapon Defense?) and then I2WF at 11.

J

This is what I'm wondering... There has to be some missing
2 weapon feat in there... Two weapon defense sounds pretty
cool.

You can't get Improved TWF until the 11 feat... So what could
possibly go in the 6 feat if you're not an "archer" ranger...