Dragon 379: Assassin Heroic Tier

[Shazman]

So they are doing the same thing with the assassin that they did with core classes, races, and monsters. Want the whole thing? You'll have to wait and pay more for it later. I know they are a business and want to make a profit, but this sort of naked greed is sickening.

 

[Zaukrie]

Huh? They gave you the class months early as part of DDI. If you want more, you can pay for more (or get it in the character builder).

I see no "evilness" or "greed" or whatever it is you are trying to say.

 

[yesnomu]

Assassin will not be released in any book, incidentally.

 

[Shazman]

The class is not months early. It is a class only offered through DDI, not a preview class like the monk or psion. The assassin class was promised this month. It is not unreasonable to assume that this means the whole class with special class-specific items, the multi-class feat, etc. So they break a promise and string you along for the rest of the class for who knows when. Just keep subscribing. I don't think so.

 

[Jhaelen]

The assassin class was promised this month. It is not unreasonable to assume that this means the whole class with special class-specific items, the multi-class feat, etc. So they break a promise and string you along for the rest of the class for who knows when. Just keep subscribing. I don't think so.

This just made my day. Some people simply cannot be pleased. Dear Shazam: Don't you think your idea of what is required for a 'class' to be 'complete' is a bit open-ended? Why should it include anything more than what you get in the classes chapter of a PHB?

 

[CapnZapp]

So they are doing the same thing with the assassin that they did with core classes, races, and monsters. Want the whole thing? You'll have to wait and pay more for it later. I know they are a business and want to make a profit, but this sort of naked greed is sickening.

Then don't subscribe to DDI until you've heard the whole class' been released. Then, for the low price of a single month, you'll get it all.

The only thing sickening here is your lack of perspective.

 

[Majoru Oakheart]

This just made my day. Some people simply cannot be pleased. Dear Shazam: Don't you think your idea of what is required for a 'class' to be 'complete' is a bit open-ended? Why should it include anything more than what you get in the classes chapter of a PHB?

Because also included in that book was magic items usable by all of the classes and multiclass feats for all of those classes. There isn't an implement or weapon that a class in that book is proficient in that you can't find in the PHB. If you want to muticlass into any of those classes, you have the rules for it.

I think that if you sit down to create a character and you say, "Alright, I use Ki Focuses for my implements, so I'll just look through the list of Ki Focuses to find the best one for my character, since we're starting at 21st level. What? Where's the list of Ki Focuses?" it means the class isn't complete.

Everything that got added to the classes in the PHB after it came out was stuff that is extra and wasn't needed to use the class.

I am a little annoyed because as far as I can tell, the assassin coming in 3 parts was an attempt to use up 3 of the articles in Dragon Magazine. They probably have a hole in their schedule for a later month and decided to move some of the stuff from this article into another month to fill it. Probably they'll split that into a Ki Focus article, a Feat article, and a 3rd build article in order to use up three more days of Dragon Magazine as well.

 

[Jhaelen]

Because also included in that book was magic items usable by all of the classes and multiclass feats for all of those classes.

I understand what you're saying but:

magic items =/= character class

If I told you I was going to give you a screwdriver, would you then complain if I didn't provide you with a toolbox, screws, wall plugs, and a drill?

What is a complete class description? The answer can be found by looking at the PHB:
It's what you find in the classes chapter. It's not what you find in the races, equipment, feats, or rituals chapter.

What you're really asking for is a complete PHB, not a class!
So how about being happy you actually already got a lot more than merely a new class?

 

[Shazman]

Well, since ki focus is their implement, it's a pretty big deal to not have any magical ki foci. Of course, it's inconsequential compared to the lack of a multi-class feat. If it's a "complete" class it's not unreasonable to have a hybrid version as well. If you can not make a character of any level using either the class itself or multiclassing into the class, it is not "complete".

 

[Klaus]

Well, implement-wise they can use any weapon as an implement.

But the lack of a multiclass feat means existing charcaters can't take advantage of the class.