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Dark Eternal said:
When I ran Forge of Fury the PCs won because they rolled insanely well. Every hit was for max or near max damage, and about 1 in 3 was a crit. I think that's the best strategy.
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Dragon + snatch feat = TPK?
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When I ran Forge of Fury the PCs won because they rolled insanely well. Every hit was for max or near max damage, and about 1 in 3 was a crit. I think that's the best strategy.
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Numion said:
Can't dragons fly faster than PCs? I don't have my books so I can't check.
But even if the party is giving chase, the dragon can still be breathing on the character in his mouth (with no save allowed) every few rounds. No one's going to be able to survive that for long.
And if the party has an archer, guess who the dragon's going to snatch first...
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A'koss
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Dragons are tough, no doubt about it. Low and Mid-level characters don't have a whole lot of options or resources available to them so that even with prep you're looking at a heck of a tough battle. At higher levels it's much easier - even a scroll or a one-shot item with Shapechange (and the opportunity to use it) can almost guarantee you victory if used intelligently.
Items that allow you to teleport or take incorporeal, gaseous or ethereal form are helpful. Displacement is useful, Earthquake in an underground lair... Throwing up a Wall of Force right in front of a flying dragon approaching for a snatch or a strafing run could be in for a nasty surprise if it doesn't see it or can't evade it in time (it's poor maneuverability class really helps the PCs here). Of course, if you have a friend who'd be willing to loan you a Sphere of Annihilation...
A'koss.
Items that allow you to teleport or take incorporeal, gaseous or ethereal form are helpful. Displacement is useful, Earthquake in an underground lair... Throwing up a Wall of Force right in front of a flying dragon approaching for a snatch or a strafing run could be in for a nasty surprise if it doesn't see it or can't evade it in time (it's poor maneuverability class really helps the PCs here). Of course, if you have a friend who'd be willing to loan you a Sphere of Annihilation...
A'koss.
Endur
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What kills Dragons is a GM that sends the Dragon into hand to hand to deliver a full attack. Even if the Dragon is better than the PCs, that is how the Dragon dies.
He gets worn down by spells and combat, and before you know it the PCs bring out their special attacks, and the Dragon is dead.
If the Dragon operates like a Stealth Bomber, the Dragon is much more dangerous. i.e. improved invisible, fly by breath, keep on flying or fly by, snatch, keep on flying, etc. is very hard to defeat.
DND needs some anti-flying monster spells. I suppose you can be in a forest and cast entangle on the trees to trap a Dragon flying through the trees, but more spells like that are necessary.
The snatch seperate the party technique is powerful, but there are lots of spells that can reduce its effectiveness (dim door, teleport, contingency, etc.). Also, there are feats: close quarters combat for fighter types.
Also, don't forget the Dragon takes a -20 to his grapple check if he wants to move while grappling someone. That -20 means a fighter type or a rogue type should be able to break free of the grapple. The wizard and the cleric still might have problems.
Tom
He gets worn down by spells and combat, and before you know it the PCs bring out their special attacks, and the Dragon is dead.
If the Dragon operates like a Stealth Bomber, the Dragon is much more dangerous. i.e. improved invisible, fly by breath, keep on flying or fly by, snatch, keep on flying, etc. is very hard to defeat.
DND needs some anti-flying monster spells. I suppose you can be in a forest and cast entangle on the trees to trap a Dragon flying through the trees, but more spells like that are necessary.
The snatch seperate the party technique is powerful, but there are lots of spells that can reduce its effectiveness (dim door, teleport, contingency, etc.). Also, there are feats: close quarters combat for fighter types.
Also, don't forget the Dragon takes a -20 to his grapple check if he wants to move while grappling someone. That -20 means a fighter type or a rogue type should be able to break free of the grapple. The wizard and the cleric still might have problems.
Tom
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