Doug McCrae
Legend
Thank you for giving me this rare opportunity to vote yes to boobs.
Dragonborn: Boobs or No Boobs?
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I voted yes.
I'm usually very anti fan service, so voting "yes" to boobs makes me cringe a bit.
But my personal taste is to have them look more at least somewhat human, rather than like small bipedal dragons. And I think that gender dimorphism that at least roughly maps onto human gender dimorphism helps make them feel more accessible.
Technically, there's nothing that says that they can't lay eggs AND nurse young. Maybe they're monotremes.
I'm usually very anti fan service, so voting "yes" to boobs makes me cringe a bit.
But my personal taste is to have them look more at least somewhat human, rather than like small bipedal dragons. And I think that gender dimorphism that at least roughly maps onto human gender dimorphism helps make them feel more accessible.
Technically, there's nothing that says that they can't lay eggs AND nurse young. Maybe they're monotremes.
Brown Jenkin
First Post
It has to be yes. Just as WotC found that things with drow or dragons on the cover sell better, there is plenty of research showing that boobs also sell things better.
I always vote Yes for boobs, always.
Now for an adult discussion. Dragons are not reptile, they are dragons, but that takes us nowhere, because we all know, that being hexapods or not, reptiles or not, female dragons have no boobs.
What are dragonborn? Where they come from? (races and classes anyone?)
If they are a mix of humans with dragonkin, they could have boobs.
If they are "cousins" of dragons, thus being pure dragon that had a different natural evolution, they should not have boobs.
If they are pure dragonkin that artifically/magically evolved to become humanoids, they could have boobs.
Now for an adult discussion. Dragons are not reptile, they are dragons, but that takes us nowhere, because we all know, that being hexapods or not, reptiles or not, female dragons have no boobs.
What are dragonborn? Where they come from? (races and classes anyone?)
If they are a mix of humans with dragonkin, they could have boobs.
If they are "cousins" of dragons, thus being pure dragon that had a different natural evolution, they should not have boobs.
If they are pure dragonkin that artifically/magically evolved to become humanoids, they could have boobs.
I want something that distinguishes the genders. It doesn't have to be boobs, and in fact I'd prefer it if it wasn't, but some visual clue would be desirable even if it's something as simple as differently coloured crests.
Though now that I'm thinking about it, I could imagine a scene where the adventuring party is making a deal with a dragonborn leader, and makes an unfortunate error with identifying the gender because "they all look alike to you mammals".
Though now that I'm thinking about it, I could imagine a scene where the adventuring party is making a deal with a dragonborn leader, and makes an unfortunate error with identifying the gender because "they all look alike to you mammals".
Ahrimon
Bourbon and Dice
It's funny, I don't recall this coming up when Eberron came out. Warforged have no visible cue as to thier gender, but I've never seen it be a problem. And yes, I know warforged technically have no physical gender. But they do have either a male or female personality.
I wonder if the dragonborn will face the same problems good ol' V does.
I wonder if the dragonborn will face the same problems good ol' V does.
Fifth Element
Legend
In general, I am very pro-boob.
For dragonborn, not so much. Though I agree that it is simply an aesthetic choice.
For dragonborn, not so much. Though I agree that it is simply an aesthetic choice.
Firevalkyrie said:
There is? In a tabletop game the words "my character is a female" are not enough?
I don't think there's much point to putting breasts on dragonborn unless you are trying to sexualize them for human viewing - making it basically a question of marketing, and the artwork you'll be using to help sell the game to real-world humans, rather than one of fantasy biology.
For me, putting breasts on something that is more reptilian than mammalian is likely to come across as jarring, and a deliberate attempt to use sex to sell me the book. Vaguely insulting, even.
Jraynack
Explorer
MMMMM.......Boobs 
How 'bout dragonborn having six boobs, each a different color, and spouting a variety of dangerous "breath" weapons - now, that is something to take a character by surprise.
Of course, I am only kidding - I think my players would leave the table if they saw a dragonborn wench serving drinks. In my book, they will have a place in my world and the Feudal Lords Campaign setting, but some GM, somewhere, will have a dragonborn wench serving drinks to players. That just makes me shudder.
But then again, I don't understand why a non-heroic tier farmer will not run at the site of a dragonborn entering a village or gather together to try to slay it - now that's adventure!.
As for the reptile/boob thing is concerned - Synapsids (a class of mammals and reptile-mammals) did exist before dinosaurs. Instead of being wiped out during the Great Dying (or Permian–Triassic extinction event), a few hardy synapsids survived to become the boobed dragonborn we see in 4th Edition.
To further this realistic twist of events - they are not really from dragons at all, but are simply called that way because their appearance are similar.
Now, with that said, I hate to see when a Draconian starts to mate with a Dragonborn and finds she is a small-breasted mammal. That is a Jerry Springer episode I'd like to see:
Jerry - How do you feel?
Draconian - Betrayed, Jerry. I thought she was a reptile.
Jerry - But surely, you noticed her boobs?
Draconian - I guess she taped them up and when we got intimate, she'd never let me kiss below her neck.
Jerry - Now, why did you lie to him if you loved him.
Dragonborn - I was afraid, Jerry. I thought he would leave if I told him the truth.
[Fighting ensues, etc., etc.,]
Anyway, there is my 2 cents + a few extra dollars stuffed into the fantasy g-string of a dragonborn stripper.
Frukathka said:How about a trio? Like that girl from Total Recall.
How 'bout dragonborn having six boobs, each a different color, and spouting a variety of dangerous "breath" weapons - now, that is something to take a character by surprise.
Of course, I am only kidding - I think my players would leave the table if they saw a dragonborn wench serving drinks. In my book, they will have a place in my world and the Feudal Lords Campaign setting, but some GM, somewhere, will have a dragonborn wench serving drinks to players. That just makes me shudder.
But then again, I don't understand why a non-heroic tier farmer will not run at the site of a dragonborn entering a village or gather together to try to slay it - now that's adventure!.
As for the reptile/boob thing is concerned - Synapsids (a class of mammals and reptile-mammals) did exist before dinosaurs. Instead of being wiped out during the Great Dying (or Permian–Triassic extinction event), a few hardy synapsids survived to become the boobed dragonborn we see in 4th Edition.
To further this realistic twist of events - they are not really from dragons at all, but are simply called that way because their appearance are similar.
Now, with that said, I hate to see when a Draconian starts to mate with a Dragonborn and finds she is a small-breasted mammal. That is a Jerry Springer episode I'd like to see:
Jerry - How do you feel?
Draconian - Betrayed, Jerry. I thought she was a reptile.
Jerry - But surely, you noticed her boobs?
Draconian - I guess she taped them up and when we got intimate, she'd never let me kiss below her neck.
Jerry - Now, why did you lie to him if you loved him.
Dragonborn - I was afraid, Jerry. I thought he would leave if I told him the truth.
[Fighting ensues, etc., etc.,]
Anyway, there is my 2 cents + a few extra dollars stuffed into the fantasy g-string of a dragonborn stripper.
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