Dragonlance 4e in 2010?

[Cam Banks]

I don't know if I would ... BUT "War of the Lance" would make a kickass adventure path in Dungeon.

Actually, if all we got was a "War of the Lance" AP that was set in PoLand (which is not the same as Poland ), with continents, cities, and personalities from DL but not explicitly on Krynn, that would be cool with me.

I think that would make me cry. Plus, it's not supporting the Dragonlance brand in quite the way I suspect Hasbro/WotC wants to.

Cheers,
Cam

 

[qstor]

I can also pretty much be sure that they're not going to reboot it. That would annoy more people than you know.

Cheers,
Cam

No reboot then what are they going to do with tieflings and dragonborn??

Mike

 

[Dragonhelm]

No reboot then what are they going to do with tieflings and dragonborn??

Not use them?

As mentioned earlier in the thread, tieflings are already established for DL. Dragonborn can be 2nd generation draconians. We don't use halflings in DL; we have kender. So dragonborn could also be excluded since Dragonlance already has draconians.

 

[Dragonhelm]

I have all three editions of Dragonlance, and there are gully dwarves as PCs in all of them. I haven't had a player select one, but they have played tinker gnomes and kender.

I played a gully dwarf once. It's challenging playing a character race that is so inherently stupid.

So now there's tieflings and dragonborn in Dragonlance and the magic system could not revolve around the cycles of Krynn's moons.

Nothing has been decided yet on the races. As for the magic, it hasn't revolved solely around the moons for many years now. There are two forms of arcane magic, High Sorcery and Wild Sorcery, and two forms of divine magic, clerical magic and mysticism. So adding in warlocks and such will be easier than you think. How the Wizards of High Sorcery deal with the renegade warlocks is the interesting part!

Did you miss that halflings have a +5 bonus to saving throws against fear effects?

Kender have traditionally been immune to fear, both magical and mundane. Only in extreme circumstances have they felt "kinda funny." We've debated a lot on whether the +5 bonus covers it or not.

I remember once working out a backstory whereby the Dark Sun world of Athas was actually Krynn, a couple thousand years later, in the timeline where Raistlin killed all the gods.

I had a friend who came up with a similar thing.

 

[Dragonhelm]

I sure everyone did they're best, and I've said nothing but good things about everyone involved in the DL3e project. That being said, it worries me that there were several times in which stuff was snuck in that had nothing to do with the novels or any other prior gaming materials.
Now when I saw that stuff I was like "oh my, how clever. But that's not Dragonlance". Many of these things came as modifications of earlier DL Nexus stuff. That is a textbook example of fanon-to-canon.

As the guy behind the Nexus, I take exception to this. There is no reason why new ideas can't make it into DL, especially when those ideas are being approved by the creators of the setting as well as Wizards of the Coast. If those ideas originate from fandom, then that means only one thing - they were good ideas.

I just think that many of the ol' DL Nexus guys snuck some of their stuff in that had no reference to anything and that was inappropriate.

I also take exception to the idea that we fans-done-good somehow were "sneaking" things in. In some cases, they were requested. The War of the Darklance alternate timeline in Legends of the Twins was requested, for example.

And again, nothing wrong with original ideas, so long as they fit the setting and are approved by the Powers That Be (tm).

 

[Warrior147]

I wonder which era the setting will play in, because the era in wich most Dragonlance books are set in is dominated by massive, worldwide wars, most notably the War of the Lance, the Chaos War, and the War of Souls. To allow the heroes to gain any fame, it would have to be set after the war of souls, which isn't very original to the dragonlance setting, or in the Age of Dreams, Light, Might, or Dispair, which would be a copy of the dragonlance time leap.

Long live the Lance!

 

[amethal]

I wonder which era the setting will play in, because the era in wich most Dragonlance books are set in is dominated by massive, worldwide wars, most notably the War of the Lance, the Chaos War, and the War of Souls. To allow the heroes to gain any fame, it would have to be set after the war of souls, which isn't very original to the dragonlance setting, or in the Age of Dreams, Light, Might, or Dispair, which would be a copy of the dragonlance time leap.

Long live the Lance!

Did you notice the dates on the posts in this thread?

As far as I am aware, WotC will be announcing their new setting very shortly at Gen Con. Dragonlance is one of the favourites, but it is all speculation at this point.

 

[NoWayJose]

There have been two Cataclysms, although the second is really not a thing like the first, and the first took place before the events of the first trilogy. Indeed, the gods left the first time before the first trilogy began, so if you want to be a stickler for all of this the setting has (since its inception) had three major wars, one of which ended with a world-shaking event (gods leaving, revealed to be the world stolen by Takhisis), and another with the death of one god and the demotion of another to mortal form.

It's somewhat overstating it to attribute constant world-shaking disaster to Dragonlance given that it's not exactly happened that often during its almost 25 year history. Worse has happened to the Forgotten Realms.

Cheers,
Cam

The War of the Lance series paints a believable picture of a damaged society slowly recovering from the Catalcysm and then adapting to the shock of the War of the Lance.

Whereas, the Chaos Wars and War of Souls completely fails to suspend my disbelief. It was atrocious the way it glossed over the impact of so much trauma and upheaval. It's simply heart-wrenching the way the people of Krynn were betrayed in such a short time span.

Imagine if we, in the real world, were just recovering from a subprime loan crisis and recession, and all of a sudden, we face World War III and governments across the world are replaced with tyrants, immediately followed by World War IV, while God/Allah/etc. officially withdrew from humanity and then returned and then withdrew and then returned again, destroying the faith of every member of every church and synagogue and mosque and temple in the world, and meanwhile, major new discoveries in science and technology turned out to be wrong and inoperative, and entire career paths and organizations (clergy, scientists, government) turned upside down. But after all these crises in war and religion and mutations in the very fabric of society, we're still kind of OK and society remains more or less functioning.

As for the Forgotten Realms, it was never really believable to begin with.
War of the Lance was a believable fantasy setting though until the Fifth Age hit the fan.

 

[Cam Banks]

The War of the Lance series paints a believable picture of a damaged society slowly recovering from the Catalcysm and then adapting to the shock of the War of the Lance.

Whereas, the Chaos Wars and War of Souls completely fails to suspend my disbelief. It was atrocious the way it glossed over the impact of so much trauma and upheaval. It's simply heart-wrenching the way the people of Krynn were betrayed in such a short time span.

The Chaos War was a generation after the War of the Lance. The War of Souls was a generation after that. While I agree that more could have been done to emphasize the aftershocks of these events, I don't buy into the "short time span" thing.

Think about it. If the War of the Lance was World War II or 1945, then the Cataclysm happened in 1600. The Chaos War would have happened in 1986, and the War of Souls in 2025.

Cheers,
Cam

 

[NoWayJose]

The Chaos War was a generation after the War of the Lance. The War of Souls was a generation after that. While I agree that more could have been done to emphasize the aftershocks of these events, I don't buy into the "short time span" thing.

Think about it. If the War of the Lance was World War II or 1945, then the Cataclysm happened in 1600. The Chaos War would have happened in 1986, and the War of Souls in 2025.

Cheers,
Cam

Oops, I guess you know much better than me about the timeline. When I read the books, it didn't seem as if much time had passed, since the surviving Heroes of the Lance still bridged the gap between trilogies and had not aged that much, so it all seemed to be happening to me within a couple decades.

Nevertheless, in the Age of Mortals, we are talking about major trauma to the very fabric of society. People often argue that African nations never truly recovered from colonial times, and that's just the consequence of war and slavery and politics. Now imagine an alternative timeline where every African believes that God is Dead and that their culture and tradition and science has changed overnight, and then do that all over again 40 years later, in the midst of tyrannical rulership and continental warfare. How long would it take that African society as a whole to return to a semblance of normality? That could be comparable to what happened in Dragonlance.

Anyway, I didn't intend to get bogged down with real life comparisons, but I want to emphasize how believable and evocative was the War of the Lance, and how the Age of Mortals felt like a bunch of baloney to me, IMO.