Drivel

[kreynolds]

limit placed on making magic items, as I assume kreynolds suggests,

You're damn right I do.

Good luck with this and I hope you can site appropriate rules to the contrary, but let me quote myself a few times,,,

“On the contrary, DMG p.43, “Character-Created Magic Items: A PC spellcaster can spend as MANY of the XP and gp you have awarded toward making magic items as she wishes, provided that she has the proper item creation feats and prerequisites”.”--Me

“There is no limit placed on making magic items, as I assume kreynolds suggests, above and beyond what XP and gp was awarded by the DM.
Following this, a 5th level spellcaster with 9,000gp could make magic items with market values over 12 or 13 thousand gp (easily), thus being over that 9,000gp mark. This is how you make a PROFIT creating magic items. Otherwise, no PC or NPC would bother.”---Me

“Nothing in the DMG sais I can’t do this, so I have to assume I can do this. IF I COULD NOT DO THIS, IT WOULD SAY SO.”--Me

“If there is some Force that mysteriously limits spellcasters from making items to increase their wealth beyond the normal, I would like to see the RULING. So, in your campaign, my wizard begins to mysteriously feel queezy and shaky when he makes that 2nd or 3rd pair of Boots (oh no, he is passing his limit in gp value!!!). He starts to vomit, an lo and behold, some random Rogue steels his raw materials, or his gold, or lightning strikes him for damage, and, umm, umm, he also fails a Ref save, and looses, um, um, all of the gold he needed to make them, mhuhahahahahahahaha!!!!!!”—Me

“If you want to limit the value of Character Created magic items, then go ahead. You could House Rule that Characters are adventurers and do not make magic items as a profession, thus they are only able to sell their created magic items at half their value. This would be a house rule, not a DMG rule.”--Me

Let's see. Whining? Check. Babbling? Check. Crying? Check. Complaining? Check...

...Yep! You're definately a player!

 

[Crothian]

Yeah, I knew that, although the market price and the base price are not Always the same. I just said that earlier because some people seemed confused about it before.

I say that a character with item creation feats should be allowed to pass their limit, or count created items at what they paid for them (part of that character's wealth). Otherwise you would be charging the character for the "magic" they put into the item, their own magic, that is.

First off all let me chime in and say forcing characrets to stay under this limit is absurd. Here's why. You have a group of 5 PCs. The main fighter is near the max money amount. THe Ranger is rather low. So, the DM notices this and places in a magical weapon of significant Power knowing the Ranger would like and use such an item. However, the Ranger feels it would serve the group better if the Fighter took it and the Ranger take one of the fighters lesser weapons. So, now the Fighter is over the GP limit. Not allowed, so does the DM make it impossible for the Ranger to give a weapon to the Fighter? If you are following the limits it seems you'd have to.

The way I see it, you total the market price for all the items to determine how much wealth a particuliar character has. Where the item comes from is not an issue.

However, this is something that ups to the DM and the PCs of a particuliar campaign to fix for themselves. I don't even see why this is being argued other then for the point of argueing.

Edit: Looking for background info. I know where Kreynolds is coming from as we've argued and bickered and occasionally agreed for quite a while now. Weeble: What does your DM say about all of this? That is really the only opinion that counts.

 

[Weeble]

You're damn right I do.



Let's see. Whining? Check. Babbling? Check. Crying? Check. Complaining? Check...

...Yep! You're definately a player!

Let's see. Calling your House Rule a Core Rule? Check. Not listing rules to back yourself up? Check. Thinking that your way is the only way? Check.

Yup, you're definately you.

 

[Weeble]

Edit: Looking for background info. I know where Kreynolds is coming from as we've argued and bickered and occasionally agreed for quite a while now. Weeble: What does your DM say about all of this? That is really the only opinion that counts.

Actually, I am the DM in question. I guess I am having a hard time finding this background info, can you help me? If you know where kreynolds is coming from, and since he can't show me rulings to back up this "limiting" of magic item creation, can you point them out for me in the DMG? True, if myself as DM and my players want to do things a certain way, thats fine, for me or for kreynolds or anyone else when it comes to their game. But I was just wondering how plausible it would be, as a side note to the original topic starter, for a Wizard to surpass his Wealth according to table 5-1. I was just wondering where in the DMG it says you can't create items if it puts you over this limit.

 

[Crothian]

Actually, I am the DM in question. I guess I am having a hard time finding this background info, can you help me? If you know where kreynolds is coming from, and since he can't show me rulings to back up this "limiting" of magic item creation, can you point them out for me in the DMG? True, if myself as DM and my players want to do things a certain way, thats fine, for me or for kreynolds or anyone else when it comes to their game. But I was just wondering how plausible it would be, as a side note to the original topic starter, for a Wizard to surpass his Wealth according to table 5-1. I was just wondering where in the DMG it says you can't create items if it puts you over this limit.

It doesn't seem to say you can or cannot. Pg 145 talks about the GP limit as a guideline, nothing more. If the PCs decide to take a year game time off and create dozens of magical items I'd allow it. It's just in their next few adventures they won't be finding squat. That's how I'd keep the balance. This is not a hard fast rule as I was saying earlier. It is merely a way guideline to help DMs keep the PCs at a certain resonible power level.

The DMG hasa lot of great info in it. It just doesn't have everything. I think this is one of those cases. Use your best judgement, but try not to limit the PCs creativity in the process.

 

[Weeble]

It doesn't seem to say you can or cannot. Pg 145 talks about the GP limit as a guideline, nothing more. If the PCs decide to take a year game time off and create dozens of magical items I'd allow it. It's just in their next few adventures they won't be finding squat. That's how I'd keep the balance. This is not a hard fast rule as I was saying earlier. It is merely a way guideline to help DMs keep the PCs at a certain resonible power level.

The DMG hasa lot of great info in it. It just doesn't have everything. I think this is one of those cases. Use your best judgement, but try not to limit the PCs creativity in the process.

This kind of blows "Status Quo" out of the water, but works well for "Tailored" campaigns.

Yeah, I would say so on most points here. Although Table 5-1 suggests average treasures FOUND, not made, and a PC can make as many magic items as his current XP and gold will allow, no limit.

 

[kreynolds]

Let's see.

I can tell you right now that you'll fail. You haven't been able to see what's right in front of you this entire time.

Calling your House Rule a Core Rule?

It's not a house rule. I follow the character wealth by level table as a guidline for maintain consistency with the power levels of the players.

Check.

Wrong.

Not listing rules to back yourself up?

I did list the rules. I cited the appropriate sections of the DMG. You're raping the rules.

Check.

Wrong.

Thinking that your way is the only way?

I didn't say it was the only way. I just said it was the rules. You can house rule it, but my way is still following the intent of the character wealth guidelines in the DMG. You just wanna carry more crap than anyone else.

Check.

Wrong.

Yup, you're definately you.

Yup! And I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, LOVE ME!!!!!!!!!

 

[Weeble]

BTW, if I were just a player, I wouldn't own the DMG.

 

[kreynolds]

and a PC can make as many magic items as his current XP and gold will allow, no limit.

Wrong. The limit is roughly determined by the character wealth by level table.

 

[Weeble]

I can tell you right now that you'll fail. You haven't been able to see what's right in front of you this entire time.



It's not a house rule. I follow the character wealth by level table as a guidline for maintain consistency with the power levels of the players.



Wrong.



I did list the rules. I cited the appropriate sections of the DMG. You're raping the rules.



Wrong.



I didn't say it was the only way. I just said it was the rules. You can house rule it, but my way is still following the intent of the character wealth guidelines in the DMG. You just wanna carry more crap than anyone else.



Wrong.



Yup! And I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, LOVE ME!!!!!!!!!

I'm raping by following the rules? huh.
And I've noticed you love yourself