Druid / Shifter? Reincarnated? Help pls...

[jollyninja]

to roguejk, druids get the thousand faces ability at level 13, at that time they can change into any humaniod form at will.

 

[kreynolds]

Just a question, but IMHO it's a tough one... ...why shouldn't a Druid or Druid / Shifter Reincarnate in something like a Wolf / Bear / Wolverine to gain the stats bonuses - retaining all the class abilities as the spell states - and then become a humanoid again through Wildshape when it comes to interact with other humanoids or wear magical items?

THnx in advance for the feedback...

You'd be better off not dying in the first place.

 

[RogueJK]

to roguejk, druids get the thousand faces ability at level 13, at that time they can change into any humaniod form at will.

It wouldn't be quite the same... The Thousand Faces ability mimics the Alter Self spell. Yeah, you'd be a wolf that looks partially human, but you would still talk like a wolf. And you'd still have wolven (is that even a word? ) mannerisms.

Plus, the Alter Self spell is assuming a humanoid base form. I'm not sure if I would allow a wolf or other animal to change himself so drastically that he appears human. (Maybe a dog-boy, though... ) That's just too powerful for a 2nd level spell. That's what Polymorph and Shapechange are for.

Even if you could assume a mostly humanoid form, another problem is that Alter Self only lasts 10 min/level. So every two or three hours, you would have to change yourself back into humanoid form. Not to mention the fact that you'd have to find some clothes to wear, unless you want to run around in your normal animal form with clothes on, and get hair all over them.

[Edit] Fixed some spelling. I really ought to go to bed. [/Edit]

 

[Artoomis]

Reading that as you say is clearly wrong. The description because it says "hit points" not "hit die" so your new Con after being reincarnated doesn't change anything but your Fortitude save. Same as Wildshape.
A PC creature doesn't have a base hit die, it gains them as per class. So a person playing a dragon still only gets d4 when taking a level of wizard.

Now you are just being silly. Your new Con affects your hit poitns - it's a con change. you base hit points don't change, of course, but your con-adjusted total changes.

Any other reading is just silly. Suddenly you'd have a character that does not follow the Con hit point adjustment rules - ridiculuous.

This is a case of hyper-technical reading of language - clearly no change in hit points at all is not what is supposed to happen - but you don't get to re-roll them, which is to say they don't change - but your bonus or penalty to hit points does change.

 

[Veldrane]

Reading that as you say is clearly wrong. The description because it says "hit points" not "hit die" so your new Con after being reincarnated doesn't change anything but your Fortitude save. Same as Wildshape.
A PC creature doesn't have a base hit die, it gains them as per class. So a person playing a dragon still only gets d4 when taking a level of wizard.

Actually, when a human becomes another creature (let's say a Half Dragon, to follow your example) actually changes his HP Total , although he still uses d4 or any other die...

Your new Con affects your hit poitns - it's a con change. you base hit points don't change, of course, but your con-adjusted total changes.

Any other reading is just silly. Suddenly you'd have a character that does not follow the Con hit point adjustment rules - ridiculuous.

This is a case of hyper-technical reading of language - clearly no change in hit points at all is not what is supposed to happen - but you don't get to re-roll them, which is to say they don't change - but your bonus or penalty to hit points does change.

...and that is just how I'd rule it (that's just MHO obviously, but I think it makes more sense than the other option... ...considering there are too much things that doesn't make sense...)

Anyway, as I wrote before, that's not the point... ...so I'd like to read your opinion on the other question...

 

[Artoomis]

Veldrane, I don't understand enough about Wildshape to give an opinion, but I do have questions.

When you Wildshape you get the physical stats of what you become, right?

That includes Con, right?

So why wouldn't your hit points get con-adjusted to your new score? And if they do not, could you quote the rule? In its entirety - partial quotes tend to be very misleading?

And if they do, then the whole "advantage" of getting killed and reincarnated is moot.

 

[Zhure]

"The subject retains its Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma scores, level and class, hit points (despite any change in its Constitution score)...."

 

[Veldrane]

Thnx Zhure... ...debate is open....

 

[Zerovoid]

I agree with others who say that your new Con does affect you hit points. They just mean not to reroll them. Otherwise, what would happen if that character had Endurance cast on them after being reincarnated? Would nothing happen, since their Con doesn't matter.

I think the reason that most Shaper's don't do this, is that they DON'T WANT TO DIE!!! What if when they die and end up in the afterlife, they find they don't have the will to return. What if they don't want to slit their throat with their own sword just to have the wonderful opportunity of being a wolf? Metagaming players might think this is a good idea, but characters won't.

I don't think this problem is unique to the shifter. What if my human wizard doesn't like his Str, Dex, and Con of 3? He can easily use Polymporph Other to turn into an average elf with Str 10, Dex 12, and Con 8. Thats a pretty good option for him.

In fact, for any sort of character based off of mental stats, reincarnation could be the best thing that ever happened to them. Get the Con boost, polymorph into your normal form, and then cast all the spells you want. Who cares if your attacks and skill checks are at -2.

 

[Ernst]

Actually I'm going for the Shifter anyway, so, let's see...

• Casting in WildShape is not that difficult, via Natural Spells (and consider that I have only 5 Spellcasting levels - Druid 5 / Shifter X-)
• The stat increase would help me with my HP, that is all I need, cause I get the stats of the creature I WildShape in.
• As a Shifter, all the Magical Items reamains functional while I'm in WildShape form

So, considering these points, is it worth it (and possible) IYO?

As fare as I can see, there is jet another problem. It may be true, (don’t know that for a fact) that the magical items function while in wild shape. But remember that when you put them on, in your reincarnated form, they wouldn’t fit you; sins the most magical items are made for huminenoid creatures. You would thus, need magical items made especially for YOU, and probably not be able to youse Items your party finds.