Eagle Summons the Fire + Garrote Grip = Instant Kill?
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eamon
Explorer
Rogues can have a fairly high AC. Just close your eyes and use some high-damage weapon you're not proficient with, and you can probably coax an almost sure miss even from the PC's. Make it a halfling with second chance (and/or find other similar abilities) - the miss will be almost certain.
I doubt this is such a brilliant strategy, however, simply because it costs quite a few actions and likely doesn't actually deal that much damage. And yes, obviously using lots of villagers like this is abusively cheesy - and trying to miss the rogue to hit the monster is pretty questionable too. (I don't think it's technically a bag-o-rats situation, but whatever).
Part of the problem is that it (a) requires an attack roll to grab the target, (b) requires either way too many actions or a resource that's not easily available (a bunch of suicidal low-level villagers that are willing to risk their lives on some harebrained plan - better hope nothing goes wrong). The villagers do need to be able to actually hit the square the rogue's in - and I could imagine even a dispassionate DM might not that happen automatically at 40 squares blindfolded, through a crack. Funny cheese, but it's not quite there yet.
I doubt this is such a brilliant strategy, however, simply because it costs quite a few actions and likely doesn't actually deal that much damage. And yes, obviously using lots of villagers like this is abusively cheesy - and trying to miss the rogue to hit the monster is pretty questionable too. (I don't think it's technically a bag-o-rats situation, but whatever).
Part of the problem is that it (a) requires an attack roll to grab the target, (b) requires either way too many actions or a resource that's not easily available (a bunch of suicidal low-level villagers that are willing to risk their lives on some harebrained plan - better hope nothing goes wrong). The villagers do need to be able to actually hit the square the rogue's in - and I could imagine even a dispassionate DM might not that happen automatically at 40 squares blindfolded, through a crack. Funny cheese, but it's not quite there yet.
Dr_Ruminahui
First Post
Yeah, this falls under the same category as the peasant railgun (long line of peasants, each use an action to hand a pole to the next guy - goes however far you have peasants in one turn) and the elf (or was it half-ellf) speed of light army (each has the feet that adds movement to its party members for overland travel - its an untyped bonus so with an infinite number of elves, you have an infinite speed). Interesting thought processes, but obvious abuses of the game mechanics which would never be allowed in a campaign (well, unless campaign purposefully allowed such things).
Saeviomagy
Adventurer
It does show off how stupid that particular part of garrote grip is though. You would have thought that professional game designers would understand that such a rule was idiocy before it got to print...
chitzk0i
Explorer
In a thread featuring Eagle Summons the Fire, you're criticizing Garrote Grip??? Cart before the horse, my friend. Cart before the horse.
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