D&D (2024) Early access to 2024 books in DnDBeyond is tied to subscription tier.

[DarkCrisis]

So you sweep at all and don't even differentiate?

You asked me why I made that post? I answered. So.

Yes. It's called a generality. I was speaking "in general". "Corps bad."

I have no idea what post are referring to in the second part.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Yes. It's called a generality. I was speaking "in general". "Corps bad."

Then stop speaking in generalities. Especially when talking abiit other people.

I have no idea what post are referring to in the second part.

The first I quoted. With the happy corp are bad sticker.

 

[mamba]

What? We are talking about DnD Beyond. How is that arbitrary?!

as I said, you did not explain why you chose that date over any other date, and more importantly why doing so makes sense. Until you do that it is an arbitrary date that you decided to choose for no good reason (arbitrarily) / because it fits your narrative, not because it is objectively the right / best day to base this on.

Why is it the day DDB started over e.g. 6 months after WotC bought it (so they had time to make their changes) or the date they first offered preorders at all? The last one seems a lot more relevant to this discussion, yet you chose another, that choice needs a justification or it is arbitrary…

Again, not the same thing. You are not comparing apples to apples.

I know, analogies only go so far, but the underlying truth remains, if you take something away from people that they previously had, you are going to get complaints, even if further back in time they did not yet have it.

Saying ‘I am only taking something from you that you did not even have two years ago, so why are you even complaining, you should consider yourself lucky that I did not take more of the stuff you got’ is not going to cut it…

 

[UngeheuerLich]

They keep pushing DDB more and more and people will keep making excuses for them.

This one.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Can you point to me where I or anyone in this thread said that? Thank you.

And this one.

 

[dave2008]

as I said, you did not explain why you chose that date over any other date, and more importantly why doing so makes sense. Until you do that it is an arbitrary date that you decided to choose for no good reason (arbitrarily) / because it fits your narrative, not because it is objectively the right / best day to base this on.

Why is it the day DDB started over e.g. 6 months after WotC bought it (so they had time to make their changes) or the date they first offered preorders at all? The last one seems a lot more relevant to this discussion, yet you chose another, that choice needs a justification or it is arbitrary…

We were discussing change over time. The time of DnD Beyond starts when it was available less than 10 years ago. That seems sufficiently short and relevant to include the whole thing.

I know, analogies only go so far, but the underlying truth remains, if you take something away from people that they previously had, you are going to get complaints, even if further back in time they did not yet have it.

I was never discussing whether or not someone would complain, but instead why they would call it "crappy."

 

[mamba]

No, that is not true. It may be OK in a logic debate, but not in reality. It is possible that rule can be sensible and justified only under certain circumstances and just the opposite under others.

but then those conditions should be baked into the rule, your rule had no such conditions and it has the same flaws whenever you apply it, the only difference is how severe the outcome is / whether you shrug it off. It never produces a good result, at best it produces a result you can live with

 

[mamba]

It’s now far cheaper and easier for me to get early access. You don’t even need to go through Beyond now for Early Access as Stores are getting the physical books two weeks early again.

they could have done that without taking it away from preorders, this is not an either-or scenario…

 

[mamba]

We were discussing change over time. The time of DnD Beyond starts when it was available less than 10 years ago. That seems sufficiently short and relevant to include the whole thing.

and I disagree, change is compared to what it was right before the change, not to how things were ‘at the beginning of time’

If I got a raise 5 years ago, another 3 years ago and now they want to lower my salary to what it was 5 years ago, them saying ‘but you made less when you started here 7 years ago, so why are you complaining’ will not be something I agree with

I was never discussing whether or not someone would complain, but instead why they would call it "crappy."

do you generally complain about things that are good? Them being ‘crappy’ feels like a prerequisite for that

 

[DarkCrisis]

And this one.

Yes and your response was a completely different thing:

Not those words, but what is your problem with companies offering things pople want in exchange for money?

Which again, no one said. Which also has nothing to do with "Corps aren't your friends".

As someone posted above. WotC is in this for money. So is almost every company ever. That doesn't mean they can't be nice and won't donate and help people but at the end of the day its the bottom line that matters. Why you get pizza parties over pay raises.

Keep in mind, I support these companies with my $. I'm not about to give up my Iphone or my D&D or my Netflix but I'm under no illusion that mean I jack to them and they will gouge me for $ the instant its in their best interest. We can see that with ever increasing streaming prices while they continue to make record breaking profits.

I like D&D. By that extension, I like WotC. I plant o give them money in exchange for products. But I know the shareholders come first and the page count may get thinner as the price goes up. The "Good stuff" might get placed behind a subscription service. WotC is going to do everything it can to get more of my money with a product as cheap as they can manage. You can't blame a dog for being a dog. Doesn't mean I have to like it or act like it's okay.