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Joshua Dyal said:
What exactly does "old skool" mean in this regard?

Around the time we were upgrading Studio A at WZRD here in gritty Chicago, I picked up a side job with my buddy John (who worked for MidRes) revamping the heating and cooling system for Wax Trax on Damen (the place they moved after Colorado. ( http://www.discogs.com/label/Wax+Trax!+Records )

Here's an article ( http://www.horizonmag.com/10/wzrd.asp ) that was written, I'm guessing, in the late 90's or so. My own stint as Station Manager of WZRD was in the 80's (a manager or two before Yadede, mentioned in the article, took over). It's a pretty good article and I'm proud to say that I took my turn behind the mike and helped to secure the funds that seriously upgraded the equipment for the station. WZRD was always a primary force in alternative music in Chicago (and by "alternative" I mean in its usage before "the Alternative Rock movement" coopted the term).

Through the early phases described above, when other radio stations (in Chicago, anyway) wouldn't touch most of what was on the Wax Trax label, it was being pumped out on the north side of Chi-town with a booming 10 watts of power! :p But that was the mission statement on which our FCC licensing was based; we were required by law to play what no one else would play and not to "block program". It was a very cool way to run a radio station.

Although I had started as a deejay, my later work as SM didn't allow me the luxury of a regular slot. However, I would often wind up filling in when one student or another missed their slot. Or I'd wind up late night on a holiday covering some time because we were also required to be on the air a certain number of hours per day/week and were sometimes coming up close to short because many of the students would be gone over a holiday or during the summer.

I remember one X-Mas Eve staring off an eight hour over night shift (so we wouldn't get fined) with Blue Christmas and going through the stacks playing Blues, anything with the word "blue" in it, and blue humor (which I had to censor myself on the fly, since it would make much sense to avoid one fine only to garner another :D).

As I recall, one of the staunchest Industrial jays at that time was Kurt Pipenburg (sp?). I seem to remember that he was also a part of a group that were known around the station as The Noise Boys, because of their affection for playing nothing but white noise for long periods of time.

Another deejay from that period, Tom Pazen, I think still spins at some clubs around the city. He was a lot more into early club music back then, but as I said the station played a lot of genres that weren't on other stations.

Joe Garza was one of the primary punk jays. It's odd this thread was started because I was just thinking of Garza. Someone with his name (I hope not him) was just mentioned on the news over the weekend as being picked up for murder. I didn't know Joe all that well but he seemed OK back then. :eek:

Some of my regular favorites to play back then (not all industrial) were Lydia Lunch, Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk, Throbbing Gristle, Skinny Puppy, Naked Raygun, Front 242, Ministry, Black Flagg, Minor Threat, Misfits, the Defoliants (bass player Chuck Uchida was a deejay back then), among others.

Anyway, I ramble. Lots of fun back in those days and my musical tastes still run that way some days though most of the time I prefer classical while I'm writing because it is less distracting to me. I suppose I might count somewhat as "old skool" when it comes to some of that music from way back then. :)
 
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Joshua Dyal said:
Can't go wrong with the Headhunter 2000 2-disc set, though.

mmmm... Space Frog Remix...!! still one of my faves...

Recommendations (that I haven't seen mentioned here yet): Absurd Minds, God Module, Icon of Coil, Pride & Fall (touted as a bit of a VNV clone, but still good), and Seabound...

;)
 

Yes, Icon of Coil; I missed them. I haven't picked up their second CD yet, but their first one is phenomenal.

Interestingly enough, they seem to be friends with Aopotygma Berzerk and Echo Image (not EMB) so the three of them tour together at times, do remixes for each other, etc. Kinda a "Norwegian Block" of synth-driven club songs.
 

In electronic music news:

john balance (half of Coil) is dead :(

http://www.thresholdhouse.com/index2.html

That said, man there are a lot of bands mentioned on this page I haven't heard in years! :)

I moved away from the industrial scene and into the Psytrance and drum and bass scenes... Much happier in my opinion :-p

Now I'm into bands like Shpongle, Growling Mad Scientist, Hallucinogen, Younger Brother... :)
 

Although I really like A23, I only mention them because I can name drop ;-) Saw Icon of Coil both at Treffen and on their last tour (want to see photos?).

For synthpop lovers, let me pimp some friends band, Back and to the Left, which is produced by Tom of A23:
http://www.battl.info/

If you don't know about Wave-Gotik-Treffen, I suggest you check out their website:
http://www.wave-gotik-treffen.de/english/

List of bands that played in 2004:
http://www.wave-gotik-treffen.de/english/past.php?reqYear=2004

30,000 "people in black" for four day of 150+ bands in the city of Leipzig. Everything is spread out among many different venues so except for the main concert hall, crowds are fairly small. There are music festivals in Europe that may cater to your particular tastes better, but half those band will play Treffen anyway and you get everything else too, industrial, goth, synthpop, noise, black metal, medieval, etc.
 


Joshua Dyal said:
...but that's not really very EBM; that's just synth-goth-club-somethingorother.

While I understand what you are saying, you pretty much defined EBM with your description.

ANybody else here keep thinking of Neubauten whenever they see the initials EN?
 



painandgreed said:
While I understand what you are saying, you pretty much defined EBM with your description.
Well, yeah, pretty much. That's why I mentioned them -- I figgered most EBM fans would find themselves pretty close to home with Razed in Black.

Although RiB is more overtly goth than the EBMers, and technically EBM predates the goth phenomena. I mean, Front 242, Poesie Noir, A Split Second and some of those guys were starting to define the genre out of "regular industrial" back before goths were involved. The early Goths were more about the Cure, Bauhaus, Southern Death Cult, Souxsie and the Banshees, etc.

Although it was probably inevitable that they'd merge.
 
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