ECL's for a Nymph ?
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ECL and reincarnation is pretty tricky...
I *think* I remember some Sage advice stating that ECL shouldn't be used for reincarnation, as a lot of special abilities will not be applicable (e.g. extra HD)
OTOH the special abilities of a nymph are *very* powerful, that Will save or die is pretty nasty
I guess I would have assigned a custom ECL for the character, lets say +4 or +6 (or something like that). But discuss it with the player, it's no fun if he feels that he gets the shaft (tm), so find something that both the DM and the player (and not forget the rest of the players) are comfortable with.
.Ziggy
I *think* I remember some Sage advice stating that ECL shouldn't be used for reincarnation, as a lot of special abilities will not be applicable (e.g. extra HD)
OTOH the special abilities of a nymph are *very* powerful, that Will save or die is pretty nasty
I guess I would have assigned a custom ECL for the character, lets say +4 or +6 (or something like that). But discuss it with the player, it's no fun if he feels that he gets the shaft (tm), so find something that both the DM and the player (and not forget the rest of the players) are comfortable with.
.Ziggy
Lord Pendragon
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Ziggy said:
I agree with .Ziggy. Especially on the part about not forgetting the other players. If I were playing in a game where another player was suddenly given a +12 ECL boost (or even +6), I'd have to seriously re-evaluate the game. Be careful about supercharging one PC with the equivalent of 6+ free levels, or it'll be the other players feeling like they got the Shaft (tm).
dani_gp
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I'm one of the players. The campaign (in Geoff Against the Giants campaign of Greyhawk) starts at 1st level with 9 players. Now the party is 9th to 10th level with five players and we are playing Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil. The cleric human (female) of Obad-hai dies in combat (epic scene here 
).
The players are with the DM
and it fits in the campaign, so no problem (a nymph cleric of obad-hai will help the party in this hard campaign).
So, how do you resolve the problem of HD and XP advancement ?
our DM has proposed:
* ignore the ECL.
* 9th level cleric + Nymph CR6 = 15th level character class
* hp: 9d8+con (cleric) + 3d6+con (nymph)
* she gains the ability mods, skills, feats, class abilities and powers of the nymph.
* she now gains XP as 15th level character (she has 41.000 XP aprox.)
* so until she reach 120.000 XP no level up (ouch !). This will let the others players equal his characters class (we gains XP as lower level classes). Our master has employed this system before because the party was not even in levels.
The players agree (me included). What is your opinion ?
).The players are with the DM
and it fits in the campaign, so no problem (a nymph cleric of obad-hai will help the party in this hard campaign).So, how do you resolve the problem of HD and XP advancement ?
our DM has proposed:
* ignore the ECL.
* 9th level cleric + Nymph CR6 = 15th level character class
* hp: 9d8+con (cleric) + 3d6+con (nymph)
* she gains the ability mods, skills, feats, class abilities and powers of the nymph.
* she now gains XP as 15th level character (she has 41.000 XP aprox.)
* so until she reach 120.000 XP no level up (ouch !). This will let the others players equal his characters class (we gains XP as lower level classes). Our master has employed this system before because the party was not even in levels.
The players agree (me included). What is your opinion ?
Lord Pendragon
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It seems from the proposal that basically what your DM has done isn't to ignore the ECL, but to delay it. The PC in question gains all the abilities as if he were an ECL +6 creature now, but gradually does pay the price of the ECL (by basically earning it through experience that won't go to leveling up until he's covered the ECL deficit.)
The only problem with this is that until the other PCs reach 15th character level, they're going to be overshadowed by the cleric. His power will be a lot greater than theirs.
However, if all the players are all right with this, (and from your post, it seems they are,) then that really isn't a problem and I think it's a fine way to adjudicate the situation. Happy gaming.
Your DM should take the ECL into account when awarding XP, though. Having a 15th-level PC in the party will bump up the average party level and make nearly every encounter worth less XP. Alternatively, he may bump up the EL of the encounter to make it appropriately challenging, which could be deadly for the cleric's lower-level companions...
The only problem with this is that until the other PCs reach 15th character level, they're going to be overshadowed by the cleric. His power will be a lot greater than theirs.
However, if all the players are all right with this, (and from your post, it seems they are,) then that really isn't a problem and I think it's a fine way to adjudicate the situation. Happy gaming.
Your DM should take the ECL into account when awarding XP, though. Having a 15th-level PC in the party will bump up the average party level and make nearly every encounter worth less XP. Alternatively, he may bump up the EL of the encounter to make it appropriately challenging, which could be deadly for the cleric's lower-level companions...
dani_gp said:
our DM has proposed:
* ignore the ECL.
* 9th level cleric + Nymph CR6 = 15th level character class
* hp: 9d8+con (cleric) + 3d6+con (nymph)
* she gains the ability mods, skills, feats, class abilities and powers of the nymph.
* she now gains XP as 15th level character (she has 41.000 XP aprox.)
* so until she reach 120.000 XP no level up (ouch !). This will let the others players equal his characters class (we gains XP as lower level classes). Our master has employed this system before because the party was not even in levels.
The players agree (me included). What is your opinion ?
You don't get extra HD when reincarnated, I would definitely take out that part. Thus HP is whatever the cleric had before reincarnation (minus one level) modified by the new con.
She should also retain the Int, Wis and Cha of the previous race, the racial adjustments are just for Str, Dex and Con.
Apart from that it seems OK, XP-wise the nymph is treated as ECL 6, which is a pretty good deal, but if everyone is happy with it, go ahead !
.Ziggy
Epametheus
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As a side note, here's a couple things to keep in mind:
1) The DCs of her Blinding Beaty and Deadly Beauty are based on 10 + 1/2 hit dice + charisma mod, so they might a little screwed up.
2) Friendly fire. She can't pick & choose who gets nailed by the above-mentioned abilities.
1) The DCs of her Blinding Beaty and Deadly Beauty are based on 10 + 1/2 hit dice + charisma mod, so they might a little screwed up.
2) Friendly fire. She can't pick & choose who gets nailed by the above-mentioned abilities.
