Elemental Constructs -- UPDATED and FORMATED!
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Hmm... I am largely prevented from commenting on this in the kind of detail I'd like to, due to the fact that someone has his hands on my Psionics Handbook... 
But I did notice your elementals make the jump to Large size one level later than the MM ones, that they never seem to get any larger, and that their potential damage output is practically an order of magnitude lower... Is that intentional, to compensate for the ability to customize?
But I did notice your elementals make the jump to Large size one level later than the MM ones, that they never seem to get any larger, and that their potential damage output is practically an order of magnitude lower... Is that intentional, to compensate for the ability to customize?
Nifft
Penguin Herder
Yeah, I made them less physically powerful but gave them slightly better powers. Also, note that the higher-level Summons don't lose their Menu A or Menu B abilities when they qualify for the next Menu level -- a level 9 Summon has A x3, B x3 and C x3, whereas an Astral Construct 9 has only C x3.
I'm considering adding a universal Menu C power-up:
C- Huge Size (Summon is Huge instead of Large)
-- Nifft
I'm considering adding a universal Menu C power-up:
C- Huge Size (Summon is Huge instead of Large)
-- Nifft
Kerrick
First Post
Very nice. I have a PrC called the elemental conjurer (imagine that!) and these would go very well with it. They get the ability to create an elemental construct at 8th level, but it's only one size. (It's posted here: http://www.geocities.com/mistmane/3E/prc/econjurer.html) These would go well with a Summon Elemental spell, though...
Just a few things: Why do water constructs have electrical attacks instead of ice attacks? I can't imagine any reason for them to have electricity. And how come they don't have the Engulf ability like Fire constructs? This would be perfect for a water construct - run over someone, engulf him, and drown him.
Natural attacks don't deal *1.5 Str, unless I'm mistaken; only weapons used with both hands deal the extra damage.
How come earth elementals don't have acid resistance 5? Acid is generally considered an Earth attack, since no one's really come up with earth spells.
I think there needs to be a cap set on ability usage. Having a fire elemental, for example, make things burst into flame at will as a free action is way too powerful. Three times a day is fine.
All the abilities should have Ex, Su, or Sp after them, BTW, since some abilities provoke AoOs.
Why is the water construct's good save Fort? I would think it would be Ref.
Are these are constructs in the literal sense of the word (as in creature type) or normal elementals? If the former, they wouldn't have Con scores, and their Int scores would liikely be a lot lower.
There is no tremor damage. Any creature on the ground must make this save.
Whoa. That's a bit much, don't you think? They already get huge bonuses to hp... you give them this, too, and he'd be a bit overpowered.
"Medium range" needs to be clarified (i.e., 400 ft. + 40 ft./level; set a caster level for this). The first time I read it, I was wondering why it was on the same level as Great Stomp, which is clearly better.
All in all, though, I like this. I'm going to yoink it for the E-Conjurer.
Just a few things: Why do water constructs have electrical attacks instead of ice attacks? I can't imagine any reason for them to have electricity. And how come they don't have the Engulf ability like Fire constructs? This would be perfect for a water construct - run over someone, engulf him, and drown him.
Natural attacks don't deal *1.5 Str, unless I'm mistaken; only weapons used with both hands deal the extra damage.
How come earth elementals don't have acid resistance 5? Acid is generally considered an Earth attack, since no one's really come up with earth spells.
I think there needs to be a cap set on ability usage. Having a fire elemental, for example, make things burst into flame at will as a free action is way too powerful. Three times a day is fine.
All the abilities should have Ex, Su, or Sp after them, BTW, since some abilities provoke AoOs.
Why is the water construct's good save Fort? I would think it would be Ref.
Are these are constructs in the literal sense of the word (as in creature type) or normal elementals? If the former, they wouldn't have Con scores, and their Int scores would liikely be a lot lower.
There is no tremor damage. Any creature on the ground must make this save.
Whoa. That's a bit much, don't you think? They already get huge bonuses to hp... you give them this, too, and he'd be a bit overpowered.
"Medium range" needs to be clarified (i.e., 400 ft. + 40 ft./level; set a caster level for this). The first time I read it, I was wondering why it was on the same level as Great Stomp, which is clearly better.
All in all, though, I like this. I'm going to yoink it for the E-Conjurer.
Nifft
Penguin Herder
Kerrick said:
"Tremor" damage is sonic damage through a solid.
That's supposed to be a +6 -- can't figure out how I typed +18. Hmmm.
Medium range is 100 ft. + 10 ft./HD.
They should be type Elemental, not type Construct -- so their HD should be d8, not d10.
These construct rules are based on the Psionic Astral Construct rules, and the spell-like powers are, for the most part, scaled back from what those constructs can do. For example, Flame Gaze is strictly less powerful than Concussion, which is a basic Menu C upgrade.
I'm putting a more complete Elemental Summon Table up on line -- I'll post a link to it in this thread when it's done (later today).
-- Nifft
Angel Tarragon
Dawn Dragon
Recently stumbled across this. I'd love to take a gander at the tables, but I am being prompted for a password when I open the link. You think you could send the tables to me via email, Nifft?
frukathka [at] yahoo [dot] com
frukathka [at] yahoo [dot] com
Angel Tarragon
Dawn Dragon
One word: Brilliant!
This idea is awesomely cool. I fully intend to try it out with the next villain I design.
This idea is awesomely cool. I fully intend to try it out with the next villain I design.
