Empowered Mirror Image

[Kyamsil]

Well, it seems to me that it wouldn't be unbalanced to take the final result and multiply it by 1.5, even if that goes beyond the cap of 8 images. After all, we are talking about a 4th level spell slot, which have a range of other arcane protection spells that give you more than what 8 (or even 12) mirror images could do, for example: Fire Shield, Improved Invisibilty, Stoneskin, Minor Globe of Invulnerability... Sure that they aren't of the same sort of protection spell, but in some cases they are better than a lot of images.

 

[Darkness]

I think the spirit of the feat is to take the number calculated and multiply it by 1.5.

In the case of Cure Light woulds, it is 1d8+1/caster level you take the entire result and then multiply it by 1.5.

So, Mirror Image should be the same way. First do the 1d4+X then multiply the whole number by 1.5.

And given that empower is suppose to do more than the base spell I say that limit of 8 images would be overcome by empower feat.

I'd handle it like this: 1.5 *(1d4+n) images, where (1d4+n) cannot be greater than 8.

n is of course the number of "bonus" images, depending on your level.

 

[apsuman]

The example with Magic Missle isn't a good one, it is using 1d4+1 to create a random effect from 2-5. Instead, look at something like Shocking Grasp which gives 1d8 + 1 per caster level. If you empower it, I think it would do 1d8 * 1.5 + 1 per caster level. The caster level would not get multiplied by the Empower since it is not a random variable amount.

No offense intended here but the description is quite clear:

"An empowered spell deals half again as much damage as normal, cures half again as many hit points..."

Shocking Grasp would do (1d8 +x) * 1.5

Cure Light Wounds would do (1d8+x) * 1.5

The authors used those cure tyep spells as an example so lets look at CLW a little more closely...

We have a 1d8+1/caster level max at +5. This is VERY close to the mirror image description. We have a +y based upon caster level and we also have a max stated in the spell text. The only way the feat description can work is if the 1d8+1/caster level is calculated and THEN the total multiplied by 1.5. Also, the only way the feat descriptor to be satisfied is if after the multiplication we exceed that +5 limiation.

At least, that's how I see it.

g!

 

[Crothian]

No offense intended here but the description is quite clear:

"An empowered spell deals half again as much damage as normal, cures half again as many hit points..."

Shocking Grasp would do (1d8 +x) * 1.5

Cure Light Wounds would do (1d8+x) * 1.5

The authors used those cure tyep spells as an example so lets look at CLW a little more closely...

We have a 1d8+1/caster level max at +5. This is VERY close to the mirror image description. We have a +y based upon caster level and we also have a max stated in the spell text. The only way the feat description can work is if the 1d8+1/caster level is calculated and THEN the total multiplied by 1.5. Also, the only way the feat descriptor to be satisfied is if after the multiplication we exceed that +5 limiation.

At least, that's how I see it.

g!

You're not the only one who sees it that way. I do as well.