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Red Moon Games said:
Portugal are a dirty team. There was no penalty awarded because it was no penalty. Several players - and Ronaldo in particular - did everything they could to con the referee into giving unwarranted fouls and penalties and they should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. I'm glad they're out for that very reason. A very mediocre team who prefer to rely on cheating than using their undoubted talent.
One of the skills a footballer has to learn is a certain level of streetsmarts, to pace the match, to unnerve the other team just the right bit to force them into making an error. This is taken to such an extreme level on Argentina x Brazil matches that these matches have acquired a warlike aura of sorts (because both teams tend to be very good at that streetsmarts thing).

The Portuguese did indeed try one too many times to force the referee into marking a penalty kick, but in one occasion the penalty did exist (the French player's left had pushed Cristiano Ronaldo as he dove to headbutt the ball).
 

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Red Moon Games said:
Portugal are a dirty team. There was no penalty awarded because it was no penalty. Several players - and Ronaldo in particular - did everything they could to con the referee into giving unwarranted fouls and penalties and they should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. I'm glad they're out for that very reason. A very mediocre team who prefer to rely on cheating than using their undoubted talent.

Agreed. Hearing about the Portugese of all people complaining about the refereeing is so delightfully ironic! :D
 

barsoomcore said:
Fee, Fie, Fo, Fun, I smell the blood of an English fan...

;)

:p

Here's their recent disciplinary record at major championships:

2000 European Championship - Abel Xavier banned for nine months after manhandling a referee; Nuno Gomes banned for eight months after manhandling a referee; Paulo Bento banned for six months after manhandling a referee. 1 red card for the tournament.
2002 World Cup - Joao Pinto suspended for three months for punching a referee. 2 red cards for the tournament.
2006 World Cup- 2 red cards for the tournament.

Now, by any stretch of the imagination, that is a dirty team.
 

Red Moon Games said:
:p

Here's their recent disciplinary record at major championships:

2000 European Championship - Abel Xavier banned for nine months after manhandling a referee; Nuno Gomes banned for eight months after manhandling a referee; Paulo Bento banned for six months after manhandling a referee. 1 red card for the tournament.
2002 World Cup - Joao Pinto suspended for three months for punching a referee. 2 red cards for the tournament.
2006 World Cup- 2 red cards for the tournament.

Now, by any stretch of the imagination, that is a dirty team.
You boys are so spoiled. :) Come down and watch the Brazilian Football Championships sometime. That's far from the worst I've seen...

Down here we say that the best type of win is from an offside position, with the hand, while the referee sits on the head of the goalie.

"Brazil: Country of Football" indeed. :D
 

Red Moon Games said:
:p

Here's their recent disciplinary record at major championships:

2000 European Championship - Abel Xavier banned for nine months after manhandling a referee; Nuno Gomes banned for eight months after manhandling a referee; Paulo Bento banned for six months after manhandling a referee. 1 red card for the tournament.
2002 World Cup - Joao Pinto suspended for three months for punching a referee. 2 red cards for the tournament.
2006 World Cup- 2 red cards for the tournament.

Now, by any stretch of the imagination, that is a dirty team.
Can't argue with 2000/2002 but 2 red cards in the 2006 World Cup is hardly a 'dirty team'. I can easily think of several teams that have had 2 red cards. Heck, one player nearly received 2 red cards in one game :).

Their diving antics have been horrible at times but diving is endemic in football now, and lots of (all?) teams do it.

Overall I think Scolari has got them to be a bit more focused on the match.
 
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johnsemlak said:
Can't argue with 2000/2002 but 2 red cards in the 2006 World Cup is hardly a 'dirty team'. I can easily think of several teams that have had 2 red cards. Heck, one player nearly received 2 red cards in one game :).

Their diving antics have been horrible at times but diving is endemic in football now, and lots of (all?) teams do it.

Overall I think Scolari has got them to be a bit more focused on the match.
But still haven't fully removed their tendency to *not* shoot for the goal. It doesn;t help that the only dedicated kicker in Portugal was Pauletta, with Cristiano Ronaldo and Figo being midfielders who occasionally shoot at the goal.

What Scolari did miraculously was give Portugal (the country) a sense of pride for their national team. He's called "Father of the Flag" there because he began celebrating wins by waving the Portuguese flag (like we often do in Brazil), and people began to cherish their flag more.

Plus he discovered one heck of a goalie.
 


Final predictions

My predictions certainly haven't been relieable enough to use for betting purposes but here it goes.

FWIW Italy is a very slight bookies' favorite, at 5/6.

3rd/4th place match

This match is usually won by the team capable of mustering enough pride and effort for the match, after the heartbreaking loss in the semifinals. Also having a lot to do with it is the perceived significance that a third place finish for the two competeting teams (e.g. in 1998 it was between Croatia adn Holland, and for little Croatia, which was in only its first WC IIRC, it meant for more for them than for Holland, which had appeared in several finals earlier; Croatia won). THese matches also tend to be higher scoring since so much less is on the line.

I think Germany will return to its high-scoring tendencies of earlier inthe tournement.

Germany 3:2 Portugal.

Final

Early in the tournament I didn't think much of France's chances but they've made a believer out of me. Italy is a team that I predicted could win this tourmament from the beginning. Natually, it's a tough one to call.

I think France will win simply because I think that the old guard of the French team--Zidane, Thuran, Barthez, Viera, Henry, and Trezeguet, have a motivation few others have had--a chance to win a 2nd World Cup title. Each of these players could cenemt a special place in football history with a win, and Zidane espcially. With a victory, surely he overtakes Platini as France's most famous ever football player; and possibly, the earlier Pele-Maradona discussion of the World's best football player will become Pele-Maradona-Zidane disucssions.

France will have a tough time overcoming Italy's defence, but Italy hasn't been a scoring machine and will face a similar contest vs France, and they'll have to be wary of the threats posed by Henry and Zizou. I think Italy will face a tougher midfield battle from France with Zidane, Viera, and Makalele than Germany posed. I think the immense experience and class of the French team, several who have played and won a WC final, will be invaluable vs the Italians.

France certainly have worries. Barthez has been shaky at times. Several of France's older players might run out of steam.

It will be extremly tight, very possibly 0-0 after 120 min and decided on penalties. Perhaps, though, France will decided it earlier on a free kick from Zidane, or a rush forward from Henry. Or less desirably from a penalty earned by Henry. Perhaps Barthez will miscue and give the Italians a chance to win. But if it goes to penalties, I give the edge to France, because Barthez is good at that, and France's penalty takers should be able to blast them in reliably.

France 0:0 Italy, France win on penalties.

I can't wait!
 
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Good summary, Semlak. I'll say this: for Italy to win, they have to UP their game. I think they can do that, but I think they have to rise even above the heights they reached for Germany.

For France to win, they have to MAINTAIN their game. If they play like they did against Brazil, I don't see much opportunity for Italy.

Advantage: France.

But my heart wants Italy. I hope I'm wrong.
 

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