Enchanting Improvised Weapons?

[werk]

Why is this not allowed via the rules again? I think I missed it.

1. An improvised weapon is a weapon.

Where does it say this exactly? This is really the heart of the argument. I know you can wield it as a weapon, but didn't see anywhere where it actually says an improvised weapon IS a weapon.

Improvised Weapons: Sometimes objects not crafted to be weapons nonetheless see use in combat. Because such objects are not designed for this use, any creature that uses one in combat is considered to be nonproficient with it and takes a –4 penalty on attack rolls made with that object. To determine the size category and appropriate damage for an improvised weapon, compare its relative size and damage potential to the weapon list to find a reasonable match. An improvised weapon scores a threat on a natural roll of 20 and deals double damage on a critical hit. An improvised thrown weapon has a range increment of 10 feet.

I suggested that it should work with Magic Weapon because when it is wielded as an improvised weapon it is a weapon, and would fulfill the spell requirements. When not wielded, it is no longer an improvised weapon, it is whatever it's original design was. SO wielded, it works, shovel sitting on the table, wouldn't work. Can't back that up with rules myself.

 

[IcyCool]

Ah, so the difficulty is in step one there. I'll poke around and see if I can find anything about that.

[Edit] I noticed that no one commented on the Justicar's Exotic Weapon Proficiency[Manacles] ability. Would having that proficiency allow you to create enchanted manacles that could be wielded as if they were enchanted light maces?

 

[Sejs]

[Edit] I noticed that no one commented on the Justicar's Exotic Weapon Proficiency[Manacles] ability. Would having that proficiency allow you to create enchanted manacles that could be wielded as if they were enchanted light maces?

You know.. a Justicar with a pair of enchanted manacles that have throwing and returning on 'em is kind of a cool idea.

*toss* *whum-whum-whum* *sma-CLACK!*

 

[Woas]

Well I mean, what even is a weapon? A scythe is a farming tool, but happends to also be a weapon. Same with a sickle. Axes are meant to cut trees, just someone along the way figured they might cut humans just as good. Hammers and picks are mining tools. How does something get this arbitary title of "weapon"?

Why couldn't a shovel be a weapon... I mean, I can pick up a sizeable log off the ground and call it "my club" it magically does 1d6 damage when I bash the orcs face in with it. Then I can get someone to widdle it a bit so that it's even easier to bash faces with (becomes masterwork) and then enchant this random piece forest junk. Why can't I pick up a shovel and bash the orcs face in with it and maybe get it enchanted too?

 

[werk]

Well I mean, what even is a weapon? ... I mean, I can pick up a sizeable log off the ground and call it "my club"

OK, there's your confusion. You can't pick up a log and have it be a club. You can pick up a log and use it as an improvised weapon, and the closest weapon to it would be a club, depending, so you effectively have an improvised club that attacks at -4, you don't actually have a club.

The scythe is not a fair example, much like sickle or knife/dagger, as they are dual use.

I think we've established that most everyone would allow it, which is what you are arguing, but we were trying to find rules (RAW) for or against the OP.

 

[Kalshane]

I personally think if a PC wants to spend a feat for proficiency, spend the money for a masterwork weapon version (not to mention the time involved finding a smith who can make a masterwork battle shovel and doesn't die of laughter when asked) for something that per the rules is going to be a 20x2 crit weapon, I say more power to them. It's hardly a game breaker. My only concern would be it being a little too off-the-wall for a gritty campaign.

"Shovels are so versatile: gardening, gravedigging, decapitation..."

I just can't see enchanting a chair or a bar stool.

Reminds me of my cousin playing a Celestial Chorister in Mage. Got jumped by some nasty creature or another in a bar, grabbed a nearby chair and cast a Prime 2 enchantment effect on it singing "Oh Lord, please bless this piece of furniture..."