Enterprise 01-08-03

[Mark]

All good points (and funny, too!)

I just wish they'd axe the Temporal Cold War angle and move into something less fantastical. I think the previous series have shown that character driven plots can work, and work well. No need to keep raising the stakes, especially since they've taken this series down a notch tech-wise (for the humans, anyway).

As long as they're going to break a few rules, and not yet have the Prime Directive in order, why not take Kirk's Cowboy Diplomacy mentality, give it to Archer, and have him raise that bar? I can fathom a handful of episodes where we intentionally get in the middle of conflicts between two emerging warp cultures and talk them into sharing their peripheral tech with us in exchange for alliances. It would also explain how we manage to advance so quickly up through TOS time.

Heck, in the one place where we're supposedly trading tech with other cultures, the medical exchange program, we've picked up a doctor who uses the equivalent of alien leeches.

They've shown us cloaking, even though we're not supposed to understand or even see it again for a hundred years. They've given us a taste of advanced holography, when we apparently won't even come close to mastering that in a couple of hundred years. How about we save the ship of someone other than the Klingons and the grateful suckers offer our second alliance (Vulcans being the first) and they help us tweek our transporters? How about we get in a crossfire with two races, choose a side, and the new firends explain how they snatched the replicator tech from the repair station we destroyed (but maybe lost a couple of crewmen which we can explain the reasoning of to them)? Can we meet someone who will help us improve defenses by trading shielding tech for something we have (or just the promise of future support)?

Seems like they don't want to take the baby steps because they're afraid we won't find the process interesting. I think the characters, and potential wide-eyed discovery syndrome that comes with those steps, is enough to sustain the show.

 

[mojo1701]

Originally posted by Ranger REG:

In fact, they would have done so with NEMESIS. Have him pair up with half-Romulan Major Sela of the Tal Shiar who were the strings behind the Shinzon clone. I probably would have believed what they were doing to the Romulan Empire.

First of all, I'd like to say, "Hi, REG! Thanks for recommending this website back under my thread on the HoloNet!"

Second of all, wasn't the Tal Shiar more or less destroyed in an episode of DS9?

Third, I also don't understand why Major Sela (or the whole Spock-Reunification story) weren't in Nemesis.

 

[Mark]

Welcome to the boards, mojo1701!

Third, I also don't understand why Major Sela (or the whole Spock-Reunification story) weren't in Nemesis.

They didn't even bother to gloss over it, did they?

Or did they...? Did they mention something along the lines of having eliminated any opposition, and thereby imply that the Tal Shiar had been effectively neutralized? Or was the Tal Shiar so ineffectual at that point that they did not bear mentioning? *shrug*

 

[myrdden]

All good points (and funny, too!)

I just wish they'd axe the Temporal Cold War angle...

Whole bunch of other great points...

...I think the characters, and potential wide-eyed discovery syndrome that comes with those steps, is enough to sustain the show.

Mark,

You are now officially my voice when it comes to Enterprise (it's a modest position...no money...few, if any, benefits...and dubious prestige)! You have articulated everything I have been thinking about this show.

I feel the writers are taking too much inspiration from the later series and not enough from the original.

Myrdden

 

[mojo1701]

I'd like the Temporal Cold War idea if not for the various confusing paradoxes it creates, like:

1. (from Voyager: Where's Captain Braxton?
2. Where are the Suliban anywhere in the other series?

Other than that, I've really liked Star Trek, and have been a loyal fan, no matter what happened, except for some stupid )or boring) episodes.

 

[Mark]

Mark,

You are now officially my voice when it comes to Enterprise (it's a modest position...no money...few, if any, benefits...and dubious prestige)! You have articulated everything I have been thinking about this show.

I feel the writers are taking too much inspiration from the later series and not enough from the original.

Myrdden

heh heh Well, I've had worse jobs than that!

Make sure to jump into these threads more often. Either myself, or someone else gets a new Enterprise thread started with every new episode, and of course, that doesn't mean other ST threads can't be started as well.

 

[Mark]

I'd like the Temporal Cold War idea if not for the various confusing paradoxes it creates, like:

1. (from Voyager: Where's Captain Braxton?
2. Where are the Suliban anywhere in the other series?

Other than that, I've really liked Star Trek, and have been a loyal fan, no matter what happened, except for some stupid )or boring) episodes.

Yeah, it isn't bad except for it taking the focus off of the whole "first long term exploration mission into regular space" thing. Maybe they could just cool it for a while and pick it back up toward the end of the series...?

 

[mojo1701]

Originally posted by[/] Mark:

Yeah, it isn't bad except for it taking the focus off of the whole "first long term exploration mission into regular space" thing. Maybe they could just cool it for a while and pick it back up toward the end of the series...?

That's what all the other series did. With TNG, it was the idea of the Q, with DS9, it was that whole "Emissary" thing, and Voyager was always about the Delta Quadrant.

 

[Mark]

That's what all the other series did.

And the theme of ST : TOS...? That's kinda my point, I suppose. They seem to have the opportunity to get back to the days when they didn't have to force an over-riding series arc and they're missing the chance. I think the original series had that wide-eyed discovery feeling that could be recaptured.

 

[Eternalknight]

And the theme of ST : TOS...? That's kinda my point, I suppose. They seem to have the opportunity to get back to the days when they didn't have to force an over-riding series arc and they're missing the chance. I think the original series had that wide-eyed discovery feeling that could be recaptured.

For once I am going to have to disagree with you Mark. Off the top of my head I can't think of any other series on television that doesn't have an overiding story arc to it. Babylon 5 had it. Andromeda has it. Most have it. It's a sign of moving with the times, I guess.

That being said, I like the temporal cold war angle. As for where are the Suliban in later episodes, and where is Captain Braxton, well that's the funny thing about timelines... apparently they can be altered However, I think the temporal cold war could be an excuse for the writers to not have to follow continuity as much.

Notice how it isn't called Star Trek: Enterprise? I think this is because it is supposed to be kind of a stand-alone show, somehow disjointed from the rest of Star Trek.

Enough of my ramblings for now