Enterprise 11-20-02

[Richards]

kreynolds: It looks like you rebutted each of my 5 "given facts" as if I were arguing that none of them made sense on their own. Actually, I didn't have a problem with any of the "facts" on their own, only when they were combined together. (In this case, the whole was "suckier" than the sum of its parts. ) Yes, I understand that it's a good idea to travel at impulse speeds when approaching a black hole rather than use warp drive. But even if, as you say, it was explained that the "black hole radiation" was spewing out for half a light year in all directions - except for this one here (I guess I must have missed that bit ) - I still don't see why T'Pol couldn't have turned the ship around and gone to warp to get away from the radiation zone. After all, they'd be moving away from the black hole at that point.

In any case, even given solar wind and such, I still find it difficult to believe that the radiation zone would be so lopsided: 48 hours of travel in all directions except this one, where it's only 17 minutes. Converting everything to minutes: 17 minutes of travel in this direction, and 2,880 minutes of travel in all other directions.

Dang, that's one hell of a solar wind!

Johnathan

 

[kreynolds]

kreynolds: It looks like you rebutted each of my 5 "given facts" as if I were arguing that none of them made sense on their own.

Actually, I was arguing that your 5 "given facts" were incorrect in the first place, whether or not you take them as a whole. I was just defending the episode from your mistaken facts, but I realize that may not actually make the episode any better.

But even if, as you say, it was explained that the "black hole radiation" was spewing out for half a light year in all directions - except for this one here (I guess I must have missed that bit )

I didn't miss it.

I still don't see why T'Pol couldn't have turned the ship around and gone to warp to get away from the radiation zone. After all, they'd be moving away from the black hole at that point.

In any case, even given solar wind and such, I still find it difficult to believe that the radiation zone would be so lopsided: 48 hours of travel in all directions except this one, where it's only 17 minutes. Converting everything to minutes: 17 minutes of travel in this direction, and 2,880 minutes of travel in all other directions.

Dang, that's one hell of a solar wind!

Still, you have to keep in mind that they had already made it deep into the field and no doubt had already passed the center point. The reason that T'Pol (thanks for the proper spelling ) emphasized that they had to continue through was because a) turning around would take too long, even though she could navigate that course on her own, and b) because continuing out through the other side would be an impossible task by herself. She needed help to do it. But, like I pointed out previously, she stated all this.

Again, I'm just pointing out that your "given facts" are incorrect, but I'm not saying that necessarily makes it a better episode in either case. It wasn't my favorite, but it was alright.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Showers may even help you against radiation - if the radiation comes from dust and particles, you can wash them off.

Well, but what am I interfering in this discussion - Enterprise didn`t yet start in Germany...

Mustrum Ridcully

 

[kreynolds]

Enterprise didn`t yet start in Germany...

When does it start for you?

 

[Richards]

Eh, I'm still not convinced. (Or I'm in an argumentative mood, take your pick. ) True, T'Pol said she could turn the ship around on her own and head back the way they came, but that it would take too long. And I agree - but only if they went back under impulse power. My whole point is, there's no reason why they couldn't go to warp at that point, and then they'd be out of the radiation zone in no time at all. (Of course, that does kind of put a damper on the excitement for the episode.)

Plus, looking back at my 5 "given facts," it looks like I only botched up the first one. The other four are still true (if you ignore the parenthetical suppositions I added onto points 4 and 5).

As for T'Pol's name, the "T-apostrophe" prefix seems to be pretty common among Vulcan females. When I first heard about T'Pol being a character on the new Star Trek show (which I knew was going to take place in the pre-Kirk days), I thought they had said "T'Pau," and I was expecting a younger version of the high priestess that presided over Spock's "fight Kirk to the death for the right to mate" ceremony. I'm glad they didn't go that route.

In any case, I'm hoping for a much better episode this week. Let's hear it for transporter malfunctions! Woo hoo!

Johnathan

 

[John Crichton]

attempts to offer clarification....

Eh, I'm still not convinced. (Or I'm in an argumentative mood, take your pick. ) True, T'Pol said she could turn the ship around on her own and head back the way they came, but that it would take too long. And I agree - but only if they went back under impulse power. My whole point is, there's no reason why they couldn't go to warp at that point, and then they'd be out of the radiation zone in no time at all. (Of course, that does kind of put a damper on the excitement for the episode.)

Not to butt in or anything...

Doesn't matter when they went to warp and what direction they were facing; the ship was too close to the black hole at the point she decided to take the "short" route. They couldn't use impulse anywhere in the area where they were at impulse. The ship was at impulse the entire episode (couple of days?) meaning that except for the dangerous route out, they would have to be at impulse the same amount of time if they turned around.

 

[Orius]

And the Holodeck fantasy shows. Picard was a 1930's PI. Bashir was James Bond. Paris was a Flash Gordon clone.

Those too. However, while "The Big Goodbye" was one of the better TNG episodes, unfortunately, it was so good, they used Dixon Hill stuff at least three more times.

Bashir as a psuedo-James Bond wasn't too bad, but that episode combined both the Holodeck fantasy plot and the Holodeck peril plots into one episode.

Captain Proton was so cheesy I don't even know where to begin making fun of it.

 

[Welrain]

Captain Proton was supposed to be cheesy..just like the shows it copied.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

2kreynolds:
I don`t know, maybe it is even not confirmed yet, when, where (even if?) we can see it.
(Oddly, many German Stations seem to believe they should more rely on "home-made" productions - well, often this is a good decision, but not if you want to watch Science Fiction or Fantasy )

Mustrum Ridcully