Epic Skills Problem

[Crothian]

Yes you did. Yes you did. Na-nana-naNA-na

It's the intelligent arguements that keep us all coming back.

Who the hell is Timmy?

That's the point. It doesn't matter who Timmy it. It applies to anyone.

Oh! I get it!

I knew you would. I have faith in in people.

I'm just trolling.

I'm just bored.

 

[KarinsDad]

I think the rules just were not written with big skill boosters easily available. They just fall apart.

Oh no! RC and I agree.

Actually, I think something the designers forgot is:

It's a freaking D20.

How is anything over +15 or so going to be worth rolling?

I still have to pick up the book, but it sounds like a total joke and waste of space at this point in time.

In regard to skills, who cares?

+50 Jumping. I can get a Fly spell for way less.
+50 Spot. I can use various divination spells (usually).

Yes, I guess there could be some craft skills that there currently are no spells for, but couldn't I just make a spell? Seems extremely silly to me (again, granted I haven't picked up the book yet).

The DND system is exponential enough without making it truly that way. I think that if anyone else other that WotC would have put out this book, they would have gotten reamed for being Monty Haul on the boards. Sigh.

 

[Kraedin]

+50 Diplomacy. That's where the (game breaking) fun is.

 

[Darkness]

I...

The DM should be hesitant to hand out +100 items for 200k, exactly in the way he should be hesitant to hand out a feat item for 200k. Why earn feats or skills if you just buy them?

...

I don't think that I'd have a problem with "handing out a feat item for 200,000 gp" (unless it's an epic feat, perhaps - but I'll decide that as soon as the ELH arrives in my place of the world ).

After all, ~200,000 gp is the price of, say, a +5 vorpal weapon! Not (m)any feats are powerful enough to compare to that...

 

[kreynolds]

It's the intelligent arguements that keep us all coming back.

LOL Now that was funny!

 

[Marshall]

Would you let me run over your face with my car? Well, there's your answer. A 10th level Wizard can't cast a 9th level spell because he doesn't even have the spell slots available. Sure, he could cast it off a scroll, but wow, that's a lot of scrolls. Besides, if a 10th level Wizard in your game is casting 9th level spells from scrolls, and it has become a problem, what genius gave him those scrolls in the first place? I know they didn't come from rolling up treasure for an EL 10 encounter.

Hey, notsean!

Pull nose out of clouds. Read comparison.
Give 21st level spellcaster +30 spellcraft item let him beat DCs meant for 51st level spellcaster.

Get comparison letting 10th level mage cast 9th level spells.

Ha! Ha! Me words go right over stuck-up 'tudes head.



Damn its hard to write stupid

 

[Nish]

Give 21st level spellcaster +30 spellcraft item let him beat DCs meant for 51st level spellcaster.

A +30 spellcraft item can be easily afforded by a 21st level caster, and the books generally assume that characters are appropriately equipped. Why would you assume that they are now hitting DC's with this item that are intended for much higher level characters, instead of assuming that they wouldn't be able to hit the DC's intended for casters of their level without the item?

More likely than not, the designers probably already considered the impact of magic items.

Although I don't have the book yet, so this is just speculation on my part.

 

[Bonedagger]

Is it really that hard to make a Spot DC 80 and ignore all illusions when you have Glasses of Vision +100? for a piddly 200Kgp?

Huh? Don't have the Epic Level Book but that sounds weird. What about all those epic level illusionists.



If I would even consider allowing a spot check to ignore illusions it would have to be against a DC of:

Casters Spellcraft (Knowing how his magic works on others) + Casters Int. bonus + ... Lets say 30 (To show why the save is not allowed at low levels).... No wait. Lets make that last number 50 (+ 20 for the 20 levels before epic. Don't allow spot checks to penetrade illusions in none-epic.).

... So that's DC = Caster Spellcraft + Caster Int. bonus + 50 + d20

 

[kreynolds]

Hey, notsean!

What?

Pull nose out of clouds.

Huh? That's a new one.

Read comparison.

I did read it. That's why I quoted it. I just found your argument to be empty, so I shot it full of holes.

Give 21st level spellcaster +30 spellcraft item let him beat DCs meant for 51st level spellcaster.

Exactly what kind of situation are you thinking of that would require a 21st level caster to make a Spellcraft check that high? More to the point, what are you doing running a 21st level character in a situation that was designed for a 51st level character?

<BANG! BANG! BANG!> Well that was easy.

Get comparison letting 10th level mage cast 9th level spells.

Once again, I already read it. It was empty. Now it's dead.

Ha! Ha! Me words go right over stuck-up 'tudes head.

No. Your words formed an argument. Unfortunately, that argument was terrible.

Damn its hard to write stupid

Oh? You just started? (just pokin')

 

[Marshall]

What?

Isnt your name Kreynolds Notsean?

Exactly what kind of situation are you thinking of that would require a 21st level caster to make a Spellcraft check that high? More to the point, what are you doing running a 21st level character in a situation that was designed for a 51st level character?

Um, Epic spellcasting?

A plus spellcraft item now lets a character cast higher level spells. Epic spells rules roughly equivalate skill bonus in spellcraft to "levels". So a +30 bonus to spellcraft is roughly equivalent to 30 levels of a spellcasting class...