Euro 2004 Football discussion
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DarkMaster
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English should win this one, but they might have a harder time with Croatia. I hope France can win tomorrow and qualify for the next round.AGGEMAM said:
I would personally like to see them lose, British are a bit too cocky and deserve that cold shower.
MonsterMash
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I think England will edge it, but it'll be tight - probably no more than one goal either way.
Well done to Portugal btw, though I think that sending off was unfortunate for Russia.
Well done to Portugal btw, though I think that sending off was unfortunate for Russia.
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LizardWizard
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And unfair, too...MonsterMash said:
Ovchinnikov DID NOT touch the ball, and that's pretty evident on the TV replay.
Nevertheless, we have only ourselves to blame. With such a performance, we could barely hope for a 0:0 draw. No such luck.
Ah, well. I guess I'll sit back and enjoy the rest of the championships.
Allons, enfants de la patrie...
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johnsemlak
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Agreed. Very unfortunate.
OT: to LizardWizard--I just bought your module. I'll try to review it--look for it in the coming days. Haven't looked through it yet, but the layout looks excellent! (sorry for this OT hijack, but hey, this is an OT forum
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AGGEMAM
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On to happier news from group C.
Totti will be suspended for the remainder of the championships (that's two more games for Italy) and a few in the WC qualifier (probably around 5 games in total) for unsportmanlike conduct (he spat at and on Christian Poulsen and Daniel Jensen on several filmed occasions) in the Italy-Denmark game. More Italian players are probably going be investigated for the same behaviour.
Word cannot express the resentment I feel about such behaviour. They should be banned as if they had been doped. 6 months suspension from all matches minimum.
On another note connected to the Italy-Denmark game, I find it incredible that people, Italians mainly, are blaming Trappatoni for the draw. Denmark held Italy in an iron grip that Italy just doesn't have the quality players to get out of, that's the end of it. True, Denmark didn't break the deadlock either, but without our two best players that was to be expected.
Speaking of those two. They are both back now. Thomas Graversen is back from suspension in the first match and Jesper Grønkjær has joined the training camp after having attended his mothers tragic and sudden death and funeral on friday and monday (the Italy-Denamrk game day) respectively. Condolences to Jesper for his tragic loss, and good to see the probably biggest star and best player in the danish team back.
In the words of Morten Olsen the danish coach on the coming games: "Now that we've played the easiest team in the group (ie Italy) some big challenges awaits us. I consider the Bulgaria match the toughest in this group because this is a we have to win unlike the Italy and Sweden games where we could and can settle for a draw if it turned (or turns) out that way." (Danish gramma is a little hard to translate properly).
EDIT: Oh and btw, I should note that I watch all the games on my miniature 2½" colour TV at work while driving a big freaking forklift .. who said hazardous.
Totti will be suspended for the remainder of the championships (that's two more games for Italy) and a few in the WC qualifier (probably around 5 games in total) for unsportmanlike conduct (he spat at and on Christian Poulsen and Daniel Jensen on several filmed occasions) in the Italy-Denmark game. More Italian players are probably going be investigated for the same behaviour.
Word cannot express the resentment I feel about such behaviour. They should be banned as if they had been doped. 6 months suspension from all matches minimum.
On another note connected to the Italy-Denmark game, I find it incredible that people, Italians mainly, are blaming Trappatoni for the draw. Denmark held Italy in an iron grip that Italy just doesn't have the quality players to get out of, that's the end of it. True, Denmark didn't break the deadlock either, but without our two best players that was to be expected.
Speaking of those two. They are both back now. Thomas Graversen is back from suspension in the first match and Jesper Grønkjær has joined the training camp after having attended his mothers tragic and sudden death and funeral on friday and monday (the Italy-Denamrk game day) respectively. Condolences to Jesper for his tragic loss, and good to see the probably biggest star and best player in the danish team back.
In the words of Morten Olsen the danish coach on the coming games: "Now that we've played the easiest team in the group (ie Italy) some big challenges awaits us. I consider the Bulgaria match the toughest in this group because this is a we have to win unlike the Italy and Sweden games where we could and can settle for a draw if it turned (or turns) out that way." (Danish gramma is a little hard to translate properly).
EDIT: Oh and btw, I should note that I watch all the games on my miniature 2½" colour TV at work while driving a big freaking forklift .. who said hazardous.
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Lichtenhart
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3 games. I'm not gonna even start to defend Totti and I think that's too little a punishment, but report the facts correctly.AGGEMAM said:
Don't sell the bear's hide until you kill it, they say.
Again, that's not true.
That explains your view on the match. I dissent. By the way, it's Trapattoni.On another note connected to the Italy-Denmark game, I find it incredible that people, Italians mainly, are blaming Trappatoni for the draw. Denmark held Italy in an iron grip that Italy just doesn't have the quality players to get out of, that's the end of it. True, Denmark didn't break the deadlock either, but without our two best players that was to be expected. [snip]
EDIT: Oh and btw, I should note that I watch all the games on my miniature 2½" colour TV at work while driving a big freaking forklift .. who said hazardous.
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Mathew_Freeman
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I regularly disagree with AGGEMAM about football matters.
I think England will get a victory today, for no better reason than we're a better side than the Swiss. Although I can't understand why, after the sucess of going to a flat 4 in the midfield, we're reverting to the diamond formation. I can see Murat Yakin rubbing his hands with glee at the prospect of having Frank "Attacking Midfielder" Lampard marking him.
Lampard didn't do so well against the Japanese as a holding midfield, how's he going to cope against the Swiss? Eriksson has made a bad error there, I think.
Here's hoping a) Beckham and Owen perform a lot better and b) Rooney gets the goal his play against France warranted.
I think England will get a victory today, for no better reason than we're a better side than the Swiss. Although I can't understand why, after the sucess of going to a flat 4 in the midfield, we're reverting to the diamond formation. I can see Murat Yakin rubbing his hands with glee at the prospect of having Frank "Attacking Midfielder" Lampard marking him.
Lampard didn't do so well against the Japanese as a holding midfield, how's he going to cope against the Swiss? Eriksson has made a bad error there, I think.
Here's hoping a) Beckham and Owen perform a lot better and b) Rooney gets the goal his play against France warranted.
LizardWizard
Explorer
Agreed. Your team is just plain stronger.
And the French should definitely run over Croatia.
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DarkMaster
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You might be dissapointed and as for Italy being the easiest game. Come On. I guess the Danish newspaper are as cocky as the british.AGGEMAM said:On to happier news from group C.
Totti will be suspended for the remainder of the championships (that's two more games for Italy)
The Danish-Italy match up makes me thing of the Greek-Spain game. Here in Montreal the Greeks are all excited because they were able to tie with the spanish and the spanish community is devasted by not being able to beat the greek (I will not even talk about the Portugese, my wife is portugese so I have good connections). Italians in Montreal are quite dissapointed by this tie. There is really not a lot of Danish in Montreal so I can't really say, but from your post you seem all excited about the results.
Any way, Since I love to hate the Italians
I would be very dissapointed if they would not make it through the first round.P.S as you can see Montreal is a very multicultural city
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