Everburning torch?

[Piratecat]

Whoa! Cue 70's music...

Burst 20, +12 vs. Will, 3d10+8 psychic damage.

"...I love the way your tusks gleam in the torchlight. Here, let me dim the lights a little..."

"You're not expecting any adventurers, are you?"

"No, not at all! The dungeon's all locked up tight for the evening. So put on that leather armor and I'll show you my mace. See, my encounter power recharges on a 4, 5 AND 6..."

 

[Oompa]

Because they can see. They have low-light vision; they don't need the whole room completely lit.

Or maybe they're just being romantic.

Low light vision is that they can see without penalty in dim light right? Not in utter darkness right? Or am i doing it all wrong?

 

[Mort_Q]

Low light vision is that they can see without penalty in dim light right? Not in utter darkness right?

Correct.

I think the argument is that torches shed bright light for 5 squares... but the 6th square isn't suddenly dark.

I think the house rule I've seen mentioned is that a bright light source has an equal number of dim squares... so a torch would be bright within 5, and dim between 6 and 10 squares.

 

[Mort_Q]

Darkness prevails outside on a moonless night or in rooms with no light sources. Characters who have normal vision or low-light vision can’t see creatures or objects in darkness. Characters who have darkvision can see without penalty.

You can make an argument that any room with a light source is not dark... but I think that's were DM adjudication comes in.

 

[Oompa]

I already houserules 2 squares dim light behind every brightlight.. but adjusticating it to even the squares of dim light to the bright light makes more sense..

And thanks

 

[Infiniti2000]

"...I love the way your tusks gleam in the torchlight. Here, let me dim the lights a little..."

"Where's the Oil of Slipperiness?"

"I don't know, but I do have Mordenkainen's Lubrication!"

 

[Joshua Randall]

Dim Light
This category includes the light provided by a candle or another dim light source, moonlight, indirect illumination (such as in a cave interior whose entrance is nearby or in a subterranean passageway that has narrow shafts extending to the surface), and the light cast by things such as phosphorescent fungi....

I think a good argument can be made that in a big room with a torch on one side, the torch-side is brightly lit and the other side has "indirect illumination" from the torch and is thus dimly lit.

It's kinda weird that they don't list this (very common) situation in the parethetical after "indirect illumination", though.

Edit: hey, my 2,500th post! What a prosaic topic I chose for that milestone.

 

[Starfox]

I already houserules 2 squares dim light behind every brightlight.. but adjusticating it to even the squares of dim light to the bright light makes more sense.

Depending on the nature of the light, I am not so sure this makes sense. Low-light vision doesn't make you immune to glare. Standing in or looking at a circle of bright light makes things just outside darker by contrast.

Anyway, this was my rationale for using the (much simpler) original 4E rule.