evil elves and good drow

[johnnygolastly]

people seem to go mental at the sight of a good drow, phrases such as "hes just a drizzt wannabe" come to mind.
BUT, if someone makes an evil elf the nobody comes out with "hes just an elaith craulnober wannabe".
People get annoyed because they say, "too many people wanna play good drow", but lets break it down.
How many people in your home campaign actually play or have played good drow........1?, maybe 2?
So that means u have 1 maybe 2 good drow in your campaign, 2 maybe 3 if drizzt is in your campaign..........is that really too much?
There is a group of evil elves in forgotten realms called the eldreth veluuthra....why not good drow.
Nobody says to aspiring evil surface-elf characters, "why not just be an evil drow", yet in the thread titled "good drow" somebody says "drow are evil, making a good drow destroys the point.
Some of you people are just hypocrites who have such closed minds that when drow is mentioned you get tunnel-vision and can only think of one word........."drizzt"
Am i correct or is this a slur on the general attitude of gamers?

 

[Nifft]

Few people I know want to play evil... I think. So the Evil Elf question doesn't come up too often.

Drow were created to be a race of ultra-bad-ass evildoers for high-level good characters to fight, and everyone else to be frightened by. Imagine players saying "I wanna play a good Mind Flayer!" -- or "I wanna play a Gold Dragon!"

It's more a question of having a player pick an overpowered race IMHO -- Drizzt is just an excuse.

-- Nifft

 

[johnnygolastly]

Imagine players saying "I wanna play a good Mind Flayer!" -- or "I wanna play a Gold Dragon!"

nowadays, plenty of people seriously think they can get away with what u r saying.

It's more a question of having a player pick an overpowered race IMHO -- Drizzt is just an excuse.

-- Nifft

ECL is the big drawback to your argument, it balances it well i think.

 

[kibbitz]

Everyone seems to go for good Drow instead of good Hobgoblins, Goblins, Orcs, Gnolls, Duergar or Bugbears. Cool factor, as usual, but where is the cool? Drizz't?

 

[johnnygolastly]

Everyone seems to go for good Drow instead of good Hobgoblins, Goblins, Orcs, Gnolls, Duergar or Bugbears. Cool factor, as usual, but where is the cool? Drizz't?

for me, the cool is in people like jarlaxle and zaknafein more than drizzt........but, you are right, not may people play good monstrous race, apart from half-orcs, and i have seen one good duergar and one good gnoll.

 

[Ravellion]

I think the real problem is that drow society should 99.9% of the times weed out their good drow and sacrifice them, or kill them because they are "weak". Add to this the fact that there aren't that many good drow to begin with, and the fact that it's really uncomfortable on the surface, and I can't see how there should be so many.

In comparison, an evil elf might very well get away with being evil by simple living among humans instead.

Rav

 

[johnnygolastly]

I think the real problem is that drow society should 99.9% of the times weed out their good drow and sacrifice them, or kill them because they are "weak". Add to this the fact that there aren't that many good drow to begin with, and the fact that it's really uncomfortable on the surface, and I can't see how there should be so many.

In comparison, an evil elf might very well get away with being evil by simple living among humans instead.

Rav

good point rav, but like i said in my original post...at most 3 good drow even in the same campaign setting who would affect anything.........is it really such a problem.

 

[Redleg06]

people seem to go mental at the sight of a good drow, phrases such as "hes just a drizzt wannabe" come to mind.
BUT, if someone makes an evil elf the nobody comes out with "hes just an elaith craulnober wannabe".

WhoTF is elaith craulnober????? Better yet, is he even remotly as famous as Drizzt (the character, not in the storyline).

If you have been playing D&D for more than, oh 7 years or so, you will recall the virtual flood of Drizzt clones that have come rolling off the not-so-original-character-line since the early 1990s. That is what is specifically referred to.

OBTW, Elves in AD&D were a PC race from the very begining, with no restriction on their alignment (depending on the class they chose). Drow on the other hand started off as an NPC race of EVIL sub-terrainian elves. The point was that the original intent was to create a EVIL race of subterrainian elves. Drow as a PC option came years later.

And there was a point where you could not walk through Waterdeep or Greyhawk without tripping over good Drow.

 

[Ravellion]

good point rav, but like i said in my original post...at most 3 good drow even in the same campaign setting who would affect anything.........is it really such a problem.

For my campaign it is, really, though I can see why it wouldn't be in someone else's. The thing is, I also tend to overrule new character concepts if they've come up too often (the halfling wizard comes to mind) , and when they start to infringe on suspension of disbelief just a little ("how come our parties always have halfling wizards, while the rest of the world has to make do with human and elven ones").

Perhaps my world just is a bit low on "demihuman" races to begin with though...

Whatever rocks your boat though

Rav

 

[Cerubus Dark]

can only think of one word........."drizzt"
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They make a pill that can clear that right up you know.

Good Drow <--- VERY rare, please forgive me but the monster manual says usualy Lawful Evil if I am not mistaken, that means there can be the ocasional odd ball that was tossed out of the underdark, or perhaps a male child left on the surface to die since it was the wrong gender. Although there can be a good drow you will never find one in the underdark, and those that do will have a lot to answer for because of their kin.

Evil Elves <--- pansies no more needed. Just as with humans you will find the regualr oddball who thinks he should be the ruler, blah blah blah. Just kill this pansy on sight.


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