Excerpt: Archons (merged)

[ForbidenMaster]

Can someone explain about the chaos space marines and how they're cosmologically evil? Wiki sin't really helpful about their motives.

What I got from hongs post was that its their intent, not their actions that define alignment. In other words orcs are CE not because they are ravagely chaotic and evil creatures (using definitions, not the label CE), but because their intent is to be chaotic and evil creatures in that they dont care whether or not they commit what one would define as chaotic or evil deeds to accomplish their goal.

So any creature that doesnt care whether or not they commit a chaotic or evil act to accomplish their goal is labeled as CE.

Now how does that differer from strait evil? An Evil creature does care about the type of actions it commits. In other words it can intend to commit "evil" acts and at the same time its intent is not to be chaotic in its actions in that it cares how the evil act is accomplished.

 

[hong]

Whoooh, no bolding needed there, we're relaxed

I just feel these are all more arguments against the previous statements of "Chaos totally doesn't automatically equate to evil!" It seems more and more - and let's be fair, I am biased to begin with, so it could be just me - that 4e is pulling more and more towards chaos being evil and horribly destructive inherently.

No, this is not how you defend an opinion.

 

[OakwoodDM]

I don't know if you've got the damage right. When characters make OAs, they have to use a basic melee attack (unless they have a power that specifically counts as a basic attack), so I don't know if the Rimehammer could use Maul for an OA. On the other hand, the entry doesn't list a basic attack for the archon. I'm guessing they get opportunity attacks and can charge (both of which use basic attacks), but I don't know what they use for that.

The Maul is a basic attack. It has the circle round its sword icon, which means it is the creature's basic attack.

What makes this tactic more terrifying is the fact that you spend your entire turn (barring minor actions and action points) getting out from between them, take 2 OAs in the process, then on their turn, they move back up to flank you and get attacks. You're dying very quickly unless you have a good deal of help (or a teleport. Presumably they aren't effected by difficult terrain and slowing, or are they?)

 

[ProfessorCirno]

No, this is not how you defend an opinion.

Couldn't care less. I know my words on these here internets won't be making anyone change their minds, so I see no reason not to just relax and have fun. Besides, irregardless of what I say, SOMEONE is going to jump up and start beating me with a stick, so why bother making a big deal out of it?

 

[ForbidenMaster]

I don't know if you've got the damage right. When characters make OAs, they have to use a basic melee attack (unless they have a power that specifically counts as a basic attack), so I don't know if the Rimehammer could use Maul for an OA. On the other hand, the entry doesn't list a basic attack for the archon. I'm guessing they get opportunity attacks and can charge (both of which use basic attacks), but I don't know what they use for that.

I thought the attack type surrounded by a circle was a basic attack.

 

[Mathew_Freeman]

I can't unzip files at work, so I haven't been able to look at the actual stats, but from what I'm reading they look great. Loving the slowing / does more damage against slowed targets mechanic.

 

[Sojorn]

"Loving the Slowing" would make an excellent class power name.

In before "Slow Loving" joke.

Or AM I?

 

[Plane Sailing]

I've just deleted a whole lot of meaningless 'lorem ipsum' posts.

Don't derail the thread again please!

Thanks

 

[Plane Sailing]

I still don't like the fact that these guys are called archons.

I find myself wondering why they don't just get called elementals - maybe elementals are very different from them in some way? There is that curious comment about elementals being blends of elements.

 

[Fallen Seraph]

I find myself wondering why they don't just get called elementals - maybe elementals are very different from them in some way? There is that curious comment about elementals being blends of elements.

I think Elementals will be things that spawn directly from the Elemental Chaos, so they are a mix of all the Elements (perhaps they only spawn when the Elements collide). The "more human-mind" aspect of Elements be another difference, and of course Genasi coming from Elementals.