Excerpt: Archons (merged)

[hong]

Of course, the big flaw here is that this only reinforces the much denied "Chaos = evil" theorem on how 4e alignment works. I thought you were arguing AGAINST that?

WTF?

 

[lutecius]

Chaotic evil = cosmologically chaotic, not organisationally chaotic.

Think chaos space marines, not orks.

I perfectly understand what it's supposed to mean. And I still think it's a bad name for the reasons already stated.
As an aside, I also think having so many creatures bent on destroying the world, or destruction for its own sake is an overkill and not that interesting.

Now I don't want to turn this into yet another alignment thread, so i'll leave it at that.

 

[WhatGravitas]

But he could take a double move to get out for a total of 4 spaces.


. . X
. . 3
**2**
*A*A*
*****

Yes. But has also provoked 2 OAs. If both hit, X has taken 10d6+14 damage, just to get there. And the ice archons can easily go into flanking position again, next round. These are NASTY buggers, if you're soft and squishy.

Cheers, LT.

 

[Rechan]

Can someone explain about the chaos space marines and how they're cosmologically evil? Wiki sin't really helpful about their motives.

 

[ProfessorCirno]

WTF?

The Chaos Gods in Warhammer are horribly evil and destructive creatures. Saying "chaos is just like them!" doesn't lend to the argument "chaos in 4e totally doesn't mean evil" very well ;p

 

[hong]

The Chaos Gods in Warhammer are horribly evil and destructive creatures. Saying "chaos is just like them!" doesn't lend to the argument "chaos in 4e totally doesn't mean evil" very well ;p

"Chaotic evil is just like them" != "Chaos is just like them"

 

[Plane Sailing]

Let the forums decide our threads fates! and have a good read/debate while were at it

The fates decide.... thread merge go!

Cheers

 

[Blackeagle]

Yes. But has also provoked 2 OAs. If both hit, X has taken 10d6+14 damage, just to get there.

I don't know if you've got the damage right. When characters make OAs, they have to use a basic melee attack (unless they have a power that specifically counts as a basic attack), so I don't know if the Rimehammer could use Maul for an OA. On the other hand, the entry doesn't list a basic attack for the archon. I'm guessing they get opportunity attacks and can charge (both of which use basic attacks), but I don't know what they use for that.

 

[Rechan]

The Chaos Gods in Warhammer are horribly evil and destructive creatures. Saying "chaos is just like them!" doesn't lend to the argument "chaos in 4e totally doesn't mean evil" very well ;p

We are discussing CHAOTIC EVIL and how CE monsters behave. Not how chaotic people behave (since there isn't a Chaotic alignment outside of CE in 4e).

 

[ProfessorCirno]

We are discussing CHAOTIC EVIL and how CE monsters behave. Not how chaotic people behave (since there isn't a Chaotic alignment outside of CE in 4e).

Whoooh, no bolding needed there, we're relaxed

I just feel these are all more arguments against the previous statements of "Chaos totally doesn't automatically equate to evil!" It seems more and more - and let's be fair, I am biased to begin with, so it could be just me - that 4e is pulling more and more towards chaos being evil and horribly destructive inherently.