Excerpt: Archons (merged)

[Wolv0rine]

could Orcus have once been a Primordial?

Have they said as-of-yet what exactly Primordials are except in a general "Come on, use your brain, 'PRI-MOR-DIAL'. " drop-the-reference manner?

 

[The_Fan]

I remember when the Lich template first came out and people thought it was weak. Now, apply it to the hailscourge, and that encounter Frost Shield suddenly becomes recharge 5, 6. Scary. Very, very scary.

 

[Mirtek]

Appearance-wise, they look different. Angels have wings, [...]

And basically that's it. One is a legless ice guy with wings and eyes, the other is a legless ice guy without wings and a helmet -> how different

 

[Sojorn]

I remember when the Lich template first came out and people thought it was weak. Now, apply it to the hailscourge, and that encounter Frost Shield suddenly becomes recharge 5, 6. Scary. Very, very scary.

Makes the thing annoyingly resilient perhaps, at least against ranged attacks. If you put it on ice and give it some solid blockers/soldiers, I could see it laying down the hurt.

But what's up with a Shadowfell corrupted Archon? Some powerful necromancer/undead need a lieutenant? I can tell that it probably wasn't in the initial deal.

 

[Lizard]

Have they said as-of-yet what exactly Primordials are except in a general "Come on, use your brain, 'PRI-MOR-DIAL'. " drop-the-reference manner?

I get the impression they are much like the Titans, the great powers which predate the gods, possibly with a dollop of Cthulhu thrown in.

 

[Mirtek]

Well, as long as we're on the topic, what element is this guy?:
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Looks like an air archon, but it has wings, so it has to be an angel

Hmm... I wonder if any Titans or Primordials have been consumed by the Abyss and become a Demon, could Orcus have once been a Primordial?

Actually I believe that it has been stated somewhere that the primordial that remained alive and free after their defeat by the deities retreated into the Abyss and became the demonlords. So Orcus should indeed be a primordial

I get the impression they are much like the Titans, the great powers which predate the gods, possibly with a dollop of Cthulhu thrown in.

I got the impression that they're, as a rule of thumb, are not stronger (or weaker) than the gods. They likely range from exarch (demigod) level to the greater god level, just like the deities.

So if Orcus is indeed a primordial, he would be the example of a powerfull primordil who is also weaker than the deity Moradin.

The primordial who managed to rip Io apart would be a primordial stronager than a deity (at least this particular deity)

 

[Scribble]

I get the impression they are much like the Titans, the great powers which predate the gods, possibly with a dollop of Cthulhu thrown in.

Primordial

1 Cup flour
2 Cups water
3 Cups Great power that predates god

Cthulu to taste.

 

[DandD]

And basically that's it. One is a legless ice guy

That's wrong, because he's a Fire and Ice guy.

with wings and eyes,

A very noticeable difference.

the other is a legless ice guy

This part is true. Ice Archons only deal cold damage.

without wings and a helmet -> how different

See? Quite different. I'm glad you saw that too.

 

[Brennin Magalus]

And Christianity stole the concept lock-stock-and-barrel from Gnosticism (and no, that's not a "religious topic", it's a historically accurate throw-away line, not meant to be responded to, just thrown in there because of what it's responding to, mods), then filtered it through the art of the dark & middle ages.

No.

 

[lutecius]

That's wrong, because he's a Fire and Ice guy.
A very noticeable difference.
This part is true. Ice Archons only deal cold damage. See? Quite different. I'm glad you saw that too.

Was that sarcasm or are you seriously arguing that the new angels don't look somewhat elemental and very similar to archons?