Excerpt: Weapons (MERGE)

[Sojorn]

Huh. High crit weapons do more and more damage at higher levels.

Interesting.

There's pretty clearly alot of ways that damage jumps at the paragon and epic tiers that arn't obvious from power descriptions.

Edit: Ninjered?

 

[Alkiera]

Pretty underwhelming really. Especially the part about two weapon fighting...

I was hoping for at least a partial table... say, 3-5 weapons with whatever table data appears in the PHB. It did answer a few questions, though.

Just because they said you can't TWF in one round without a power... we also know that some feats grant powers. Why can't the Two Weapon Fighting feat in 4E grant an at-will power that lets you use both in one round? I don't think it's been ruled out yet.

 

[neceros]

Sigh.

Apparently, in the name of the Great God Simplicity. every Halfling blacksmith has been slain, forcing them to make do with human-made weapons.

A pity, since otherwise, the 4e weapons system is pretty nice.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is more into weapon size categories they don't want out yet. I can't imagine a smaller person would make a normal sized weapon when they can't use them properly. Simplicity or no, that's just silly.

 

[Mal Malenkirk]

Boooo.

I wanted so much more from that excerpt.

It's okay that they don't put in all the weapon proprties, but at least give us a handful of actual weapons!

And perhaps a list of what those superior weapons are?

 

[neceros]

Why can't the Two Weapon Fighting feat in 4E grant an at-will power that lets you use both in one round? I don't think it's been ruled out yet.

Not a bad idea, but that might be too powerful. Who knows, I suppose?

 

[Kitirat]

Sigh.

Apparently, in the name of the Great God Simplicity. every Halfling blacksmith has been slain, forcing them to make do with human-made weapons.

A pity, since otherwise, the 4e weapons system is pretty nice.

The whole small and medium weapons thing always annoyed me a LOT. I mean a halfling using a short sword is really using it as a long sword. Yes hand sizes are different and one is primarily P type and the other S type, but they should both do about 1d6 damage.

The halfling blacksmiths are not gone, just the needless complexity of 2 nearly exact weapons being named differently for convience.

See ya,
Ken

 

[Stalker0]

I was hoping for at least a partial table... say, 3-5 weapons with whatever table data appears in the PHB. It did answer a few questions, though.

Just because they said you can't TWF in one round without a power... we also know that some feats grant powers. Why can't the Two Weapon Fighting feat in 4E grant an at-will power that lets you use both in one round? I don't think it's been ruled out yet.

I could see it as an encounter power, but I doubt it would be at will.

However, there may be some hidden power to the new TWF. First of all, we haven't heard any talk of an attack penalty with TWF now. It sounds like there's no penalty at all. Second, you can only take with one weapon at a time. But....since magic items have encounter powers that can actually be a big deal. If I wield two frost hammers for example, I could use my frost encounter power twice.

 

[neceros]

The whole small and medium weapons thing always annoyed me a LOT. I mean a halfling using a short sword is really using it as a long sword. Yes hand sizes are different and one is primarily P type and the other S type, but they should both do about 1d6 damage.

Well, a blade is a blade I suppose, but then why does a dagger do less damage than a longsword? Little characters have the same amount of hp, I suppose they should do the same amount of damage with their weapons.

I've never thought about it.

 

[HeinorNY]

I think I won some money
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I'm ok with the following rule: If you wield two weapons, you still can attack only once in your turn, with one weapon or the other. You can only use both weapons if you are trained in 2WF.
The principle for this rule is the same used for firearms. I could argue that If I'm wielding a pistol, I could pull the trigger very fast and gain multiple attacks. But I don't get them because... we all know why. The same could work for 4E dual wielding. You don't gain more attacks unless you have the "skillz". And in 4E the multiple attacks could come in the form of martial exploits.

Some one-handed weapons are light enough for you to use in your off hand while holding another one-handed weapon in your other hand. Doing this doesn’t let you make multiple attacks in a round (unless you have powers that let you do so), but you can attack with either weapon.

You can’t attack with both weapons in the same turn, unless you have a power that lets you do so, but you can attack with either weapon.

 

[Shroomy]

What I find the most interesting is the comments about weapon groups and powers, which immediately reminded me about the sneak attack power from the Rogue preview

Sneak Attack
Once per round, when you have combat advantage against an enemy and are using a light blade, a crossbow, or a sling, your attacks against that enemy deal extra damage. As you advance in level, your extra damage increases.

So, the sneak attack weapon choices are not as limited as first they appeared since all three weapons mentioned in the powers are actually groups. It also looks like the rogue is also proficient in at least one weapon from each group: dagger (light blade), shuriken (light blade), hand crossbow (crossbow), sling (sling), and short sword (light blade).

My guess is that there would now be feats that allow you to expand the weapon groups used for sneak attack, and another set of feats that allow you get specific proficiencies with each weapon.