Extra Spell Feat from Complete Arcane

[The Madhatter]

Would the extra spell feat from the Complete Arcane allow a Wizard to learn a divine spell. From the Complete Arcane:

For Classes such as the Wizard that have more options for learning spells, Extra Spell is generally used to learn a specific spell that the character lacks access to and would be unable to research.

That sounds like a go ahead to learn a divine spell to me, but some may disagree as it seems vague. Has anyone seen anything official? I checked the FAQ and didn't see anything Complete Arcane yet. Thank you for your time.

 

[Scharlata]

Would the extra spell feat from the Complete Arcane allow a Wizard to learn a divine spell. From the Complete Arcane:

That sounds like a go ahead to learn a divine spell to me, but some may disagree as it seems vague. Has anyone seen anything official? I checked the FAQ and didn't see anything Complete Arcane yet. Thank you for your time.

Hi!

Still looking for a possibility to gain access to Lesser Planar Ally as an arcane spell?

This bit of text is very intriguing, indeed.

Kind regards

 

[The Madhatter]

Yes I am. I still haven't found an Arcane Conjurer ala Elric of Melnibone.

 

[UltimaGabe]

I actually have been meaning to post a topic about that feat ever since the book came out. I glanced at it one day, and noticed that the wording is quite odd. I'm sure that's not the intent- after all, the wording was different in Tome & Blood, and I don't think there was any ambiguity at all- but the wording, as it is, suggests that a Sorcerer could learn Cure Light Wounds or a Conjurer with Evocation barred could learn Fireball.

Still, I'm sure that wasn't the intent, but has anyone asked the sages about this?

 

[Nifft]

Sounds like an analogue to the XPH "Expanded Knowlege" feat.

I'd allow it.

-- N

 

[Lord Pendragon]

For Classes such as the Wizard that have more options for learning spells, Extra Spell is generally used to learn a specific spell that the character lacks access to and would be unable to research.

What other options for learning spells does the Wizard have, that other classes do not?

Learning spells from scrolls.

For classes such as the wizard, who can learn spells from scrolls, Extra Spell is generally used to learn a specific spell that the character lacks access to a scroll of, and has neither the time nor means to research himself.

The feat takes a roundabout way of describing this, probably to include the possibility of classes that have other ways (besides leveling up) of learning spells, other than the wizard's ability to learn from scrolls.

As far as I know, the feat does not, nor was it intended to, grant a class access to a spell that is not on that class's spell list.

 

[The Madhatter]

Learning spells from scrolls.

For classes such as the wizard, who can learn spells from scrolls, Extra Spell is generally used to learn a specific spell that the character lacks access to a scroll of, and has neither the time nor means to research himself.

The feat takes a roundabout way of describing this, probably to include the possibility of classes that have other ways (besides leveling up) of learning spells, other than the wizard's ability to learn from scrolls.

As far as I know, the feat does not, nor was it intended to, grant a class access to a spell that is not on that class's spell list.

That makes sense on the surface but in practice......
What Wizard would use his 9th level feat to learn ice storm when he gets a minimum of 2 spells learned per level. He would have to be very desperate and/or very isolated to spend a feat for a spell that is one level lower than he can cast AND is on his spell list.

 

[ARandomGod]

What other options for learning spells does the Wizard have, that other classes do not?

Learning spells from scrolls.

For classes such as the wizard, who can learn spells from scrolls, Extra Spell is generally used to learn a specific spell that the character lacks access to a scroll of, and has neither the time nor means to research himself.

The feat takes a roundabout way of describing this, probably to include the possibility of classes that have other ways (besides leveling up) of learning spells, other than the wizard's ability to learn from scrolls.

As far as I know, the feat does not, nor was it intended to, grant a class access to a spell that is not on that class's spell list.

I dunno. The wording there says "and would be unable to research"... not "is too lazy to research" or "can't find the time in his busy schedule to research" or even "can't research any spells 'cause his GM is a prat".

 

[FireLance]

The wording of the feat is vague, and it could be argued that "a specific spell that the character lacks access to and would be unable to research" could refer to a spell that is not on the character's spell list. However, my personal view is that this was the intent of the feat, it should have said so instead of using this convoluted wording.

That said, I don't think it is mechanically unbalancing for this feat to allow a character to learn a spell that is not on his spell list. Nonetheless, DMs who want to maintain the distinction between spellcasting classes may dislike this for flavor reasons. As always, rule 0 applies.

 

[FireLance]

That makes sense on the surface but in practice......
What Wizard would use his 9th level feat to learn ice storm when he gets a minimum of 2 spells learned per level. He would have to be very desperate and/or very isolated to spend a feat for a spell that is one level lower than he can cast AND is on his spell list.

Not all feats will be equally useful to all characters. A wizard could spend a feat to become proficient in all simple weapons, or a martial or exotic weapon, or armor, or shields, but most will not find any of these to be an optimal use of a feat as the benefit gained is small. Extra Spell will be more useful to a sorcerer or a bard, and although a wizard could select this feat and gain some benefit, he will likely find another feat that is a better choice.