D&D General Fall of Netheril- The Return of the Arcane Age Subsetting

[Henadic Theologian]

I'd like it if they did Treefolk.

Noggles I can see being handles by reprinting Goblins, again, with some fresh lore.

I don't think they are going to reprint Goblins, if they do a Gobliniod species in it, I think it will be Boggarts as a more magically Gobliniod species.

Treefolks again might be too big, unless they do Shrubfolk or Bushfolk.

So they book will cover 10 fey themed species, 2 of which will be new.

1. Rimekin we know about.

2. Mystery new species my guess Kithkin

3. Guesses for the 8 preexisting species with advise starts here: Gobins

4. Elves

5. Dwarves/Duergar

6. Changelings

7. Fairies

8. Goliaths as small giants?

9. Tritons as Merrow who have two legs somehow?

10. I could be wrong about Kithkin or it could be Hexborn (Hags).

Other payable Fey like Centuars and Satyrs don't appear in Lorwyn sets in MtG, although who knows this is Domain of Delight Lowyn, it likely has a different history like no Phyrexian invasion.

 

[mamba]

Yup, $15 each and all 3 are 32 pages long, which is pretty inexpensive for a 32 page book: that's significantly cheaper than TSR was selling 32 page softwood ers in the ips, accounting for inflation. Full price details from Beyond:

um, aren't these digital only? $15 for the equivalent of 32 pages is not what I consider inexpensive, just compare that to the FR books, which then should be around 64 pages and 80 pages respectively

 

[Parmandur]

I don't think they are going to reprint Goblins, if they do a Gobliniod species in it, I think it will be Boggarts as a more magically Gobliniod species.

But that's perfect to match ehat is described: reprint old Goblin rules stats with new Setting specific Boggart lore.

Treefolks again might be too big, unless they do Shrubfolk or Bushfolk.

That's why yhey should do Treefolk: doing larger PCs is way overdue in 5E, and Treefolk are significant in Lorwyn lore.

 

[Parmandur]

um, aren't these digital only? $15 for the equivalent of 32 pages is not what I consider inexpensive, just compare that to the FR books, which then should be around 64 pages and 80 pages respectively

Yes, it is so cheap because it is digital: TSR softcover modules cost $27-35 adjusted for inflation, last time I did the math, and it has almost certainly gotten worse.

 

[mamba]

Yes, it is so cheap because it is digital:

I am sorry, 32 pages for $15 may be cheap in print, it is nowhere near that in digital. If the ratio of pages per dollar were the same for the FR books, they would be around 70-80 pages, I am sure they are considerably longer, probably by a factor of 3, which means the supplement should be $5, not $15.

Asking for half the price of the digital book and giving me a 32 page supplement in return is price gouging, not inexpensive. This is horse armor level overpriced. Well, there goes my interest in getting any of them

 

[Parmandur]

I am sorry, 32 pages for $15 may be cheap in print, it is nowhere near that in digital. If the ratio of pages per dollar were the same for the FR books, they would be around 70-80 pages, I am sure they are considerably longer, probably by a factor of 3, which means the supplement should be $5, not $15.

Asking for half the price of the digital book and giving me a 32 page supplement in return is price gouging, not inexpensive. This is horse armor level overpriced. Well, there goes my interest in getting any of them

I mean, I won't buy them unless they put them into print and sell at my FLGS, personally...but that's not how book prices work. It is not a dollar by word count linear scale, it is bulk savings the longer a book is and the progression is based on multiples of 16 or 32 usually. 16 or 32 page books are always relatively more expensive than longer books, that's one reason book stores and publishers favor big books.

The DM book is $60 in print, $40 in digital only, $75 if you buy them together saving $25.

The player book is $50 in print, $30 in digital, $60 if you buy them toasting $20.

This is why WotC doesn't print small books, to a large degree, people feel better paying $60 for 288 pages than $30 for 32 pages.

 

[mamba]

I mean, I won't buy them unless they put them into print and sell at my FLGS, personally...but that's not how book prices work. It is not a dollar by word count linear scale, it is bulk savings the longer a book is and the progression is based on multiples of 16 or 32 usually. 16 or 32 page books are always relatively more expensive than longer books, that's one reason book stores and publishers favor big books.

yeah, but these aren't books, so I see no reason why I should base their price on book logic. For books the hardcover makes up a disproportionate amount of the price and explains why it is not linear with the page count, digital has no such oddity, here amount of content vs price can and should be pretty linear (I am expecting the creation of the content for the supplement per page to be essentially the same cost as for the FR books themselves, I see no reason why they would be significantly more expensive to create).

Maybe the higher price is in anticipation of lower sales compared to the FR books, given that the digital product has a fixed price to create it, this factors in too, but at $15 this looks like a self-fulfilling prophecy to me...

Well, was mildly interested, but certainly not $15 levels of interest

 

[Parmandur]

yeah, but these aren't books, so I see no reason why I should base their price on book logic. For books the hardcover makes up a disproportionate amount of the price and explains why it is not linear with the page count, digital has no such oddity, here amount of content vs price can and should be pretty linear (I am expecting the creation of the content for the supplement per page to be essentially the same cost as for the FR books themselves, I see no reason why they would be significantly more expensive to create).

Maybe the higher price is in anticipation of lower sales compared to the FR books, given that the digital product has a fixed price to create it, this factors in too, but at $15 this looks like a self-fulfilling prophecy to me...

Well was mildly interested, but certainly not $15 levels of interest

All the digital books on Beyond are priced as books, with a discount that ia not linear, if you look at the digital versus physical difference being 3/5 for the smaller FR books, but 2/3 for the larger DMs guide. The relative value of products on Beyond has always been like books.

 

[mamba]

All the digital books on Beyond are priced as books, with a discount that ia not linear,

all the ones that are available as books are priced at 50% or 60% or the printed book price, that seems to be the norm for digital these days. Since there is no printed version for this, they are not potentially cannibalizing print sales by going for a price point below 50% of the printed book and they also have no such 'baseline price' to use.

There are plenty of digital-only products than do not try to base it on what a fictitious printed book maybe would cost, I see no reason why this one should be any different. I maybe would have seen $10 as the upper limit, let's face it, DLC is always overpriced relative to the core product, but half the price of the core for 10-15% or so of the content, forget it...

 

[Parmandur]

all the ones that are available as books are priced at 50% or 60% or the printed book price, that seems to be the norm for digital these days. Since there is no printed version for this, they are not potentially cannibalizing print sales by going for a price point below 50% of the printed book and they also have no such 'baseline price' to use.

There are plenty of digital-only products than do not try to base it on what a fictitious printed book maybe would cost, I see no reason why this one should be any different. I maybe would have seen $10 as the upper limit, let's face it, DLC is always overpriced relative to the core product, but half the price of the core for 10-15% or so of the content, forget it...

Right, kf this was put into print, it would be $30 give or take, just like TSR wra short softcover were (adjusted for inflation).

That they haven't put out a printed copy right now doesn't mean it isn't priced like an equivalent book: that is simply Beyond's entire pricing structure.